topic typesetting equations in PTC Mathcad
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>"Called italic because it originated in Italy".<BR />_____________________<BR /><BR />Maybe inspired from the dark age "copyist". The ugly "Microsoft Italic" has surely nothing to do with the "Italian elegance" in general.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMTptc-13682882009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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Is their a way to make MathCAD equations look like the way they do in textbooks? Formulas and equations are normally typeset in italics and basically look totally different to MathCAD worksheets. Maple and Mathematica can do this so I'd like to know how to do it in MathCAD.thanksThu, 03 May 2018 20:13:42 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193711#M75935mikej19802018-05-03T20:13:42Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />== Is their a way to make MathCAD equations look like the way they do in textbooks? Formulas and equations are normally typeset in italics and basically look totally different to MathCAD worksheets. Maple and Mathematica can do this so I'd like to know how to do it in MathCAD.<BR /><BR /><BR />Yes. Use math styles. See attached for example. Read the help.<BR /><BR />Stuart<BR /><BR />From a previous thread ... <BR />For those who like to keep their fingers on the keyboard, one almost acceptable method is to redefine all of the User styles to start with a unique letter (such as A User, B User, etc), then, with the desired name selected, press Alt-o,E,B, to select the renamed Math Style 'User 2'. It can be quite quick after a bit of practice.<BR /><BR /><A href="http://collab.mathsoft.com/read?74008,85" target="_new">http://collab.mathsoft.com/read?74008,85</A><BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193712#M75936StuartBruff2009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Why don't people seem to use that then? (just curious). You'd think even if users didn't feel the need that at least PTC would ship examples in an optimal presentation (ie. textbook like equation and formula typesetting).<BR /><BR />Mike</BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193713#M75937mikej19802009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Math styles are not used much for various reasons. Most people don't even notice the ability to define the attributes, and the documentation (a bit of a joke past MC11) doesn't cover it. Using multiple styles is even less common, as Mathsoft never saw fit to provide keyboard shortcuts for applying styles. That makes applying styles much to cumbersome and slow for common use. Stuart's technique helps a bit, but is still much to cumbersome.<BR /><BR />Italics have been a source of problems too. Until recently, the bounding boxes were not properly adjusted for italics, with the result that using italics resulted in the truncation of some letters. Looked awful.<BR />__________________<BR />� � � � Tom Gutman</BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193714#M75938TomGutman2009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>Formulas and equations are normally typeset in italics <<br> __________________________<BR /><BR />In my entire life and books, I have NEVER seen maths in italics ! "italics" in general are not readable on screen, no more decently printable on paper and not of the closest legal format. In lieu of the former "pica" legal typesetting, the TNR is largely accepted in Latin letters countries. I have never seen either a single drawing in italics. Guess how many millions [1000000's] of drawings and Engineering documents I have flipped over !<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193715#M75939ptc-13682882009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>==>Formulas and equations are normally typeset in italics <BR /><BR />What I meant of course is that *variables* in Formulas and equations are normally typeset in italics. ...not to mention user defined functions f(x) g(x) and so on.<BR /><BR />Have you ever seen variables in italics in the millions of documents you've seen?</BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193716#M75940mikej19802009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 5:24:36 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Why don't people seem to use<BR />>that then? (just curious).<BR />>You'd think even if users<BR />>didn't feel the need that at<BR />>least PTC would ship examples<BR />>in an optimal presentation<BR />>(ie. textbook like equation<BR />>and formula typesetting).<BR />><BR />>Mike<BR />_____________________________<BR /><BR />Could be that Mathsoft/PTC have never seen a math book in italics. Please, download more of those master work sheets dropping regularly in the collab. Even this public forum is TNR.<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193717#M75941ptc-13682882009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 6:01:01 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>==>Formulas and equations are<BR />>normally typeset in italics<BR />><BR />>What I meant of course is that<BR />>*variables* in Formulas and<BR />>equations are normally typeset<BR />>in italics. ...not to mention<BR />>user defined functions f(x)<BR />>g(x) and so on.<BR />><BR />>Have you ever seen variables<BR />>in italics in the millions of<BR />>documents you've seen?<BR />______________________________<BR /><BR />No ! never seen italics.<BR /><BR />in f(x), g(x) and so on, f, g are the algo name(s) that you can style at will.<BR />"x" is the scalar argument that you style at will .<BR />Maths are plain and sober, same should the work sheet(s) be.<BR />Gyzmas and decorations don't belong to maths.<BR />How many styles have you seen in Mathematica NoteBooks ? one style.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Unk364.gif" /><BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193718#M75942ptc-13682882009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>... also, for the naturally ugly parentheses,<BR />there is the very nice looking slim style in Mathcad.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193719#M75943ptc-13682882009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 5:53:05 PM, jmG wrote:<BR />== In my entire life and books, I have NEVER seen maths in italics ! "italics" in general are not readable on screen, no more decently printable on paper and not of the closest legal format. In lieu of the former "pica" legal typesetting, the TNR is largely accepted in Latin letters countries. I have never seen either a single drawing in italics. Guess how many millions [1000000's] of drawings and Engineering documents I have flipped over !<BR /><BR />I have just looked through 20 of the books on my bookshelf, covering General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, Computational Physics and Maths. *ALL* of them use italics in their maths representation - including my copy of Abramowitz & Stegun.<BR /><BR />The IS0 31/80000 series mandate italics for quantity names.<BR /><BR />Also see See <A href="http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/sp811.pdf" target="_new">http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/pdf/sp811.pdf</A>, page 34. (previously mentioned in thread <A href="https://community.ptc.com/ht" target="_new">ht</A>tp://collab.mathsoft.com/read?112580,12 )<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193720#M75944StuartBruff2009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>The IS0 31/80000 series mandate italics for quantity names.<<br> _________________________<BR /><BR />OK, in scalar maths of the form f(x):= erf(x) <BR />... what is the quantity name ? Surely not f, erf [algos], surely not x [scalar]. If the independent variable(s) x is discretized, that is a quantity name, chaining the dependent variable: that is acceptable but not readable. Functions in mathematics are represented, then calculated from their two inseparable components: the algo and their argument. What does ISO 31/80000 propose for "algo", "argument" ?... what colors ? and what about color blind persons. <BR /><BR />Interesting ... and what about "programs".<BR /><BR />Jean <BR /></BODY></HTML>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193721#M75945ptc-13682882009-08-07T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 9:28:41 PM, jmG wrote:<BR /><I>>The IS0 31/80000 series mandate italics for quantity names.<<br> _________________________<BR /><BR />OK, in scalar maths of the form f(x):= erf(x)<BR /> ... what is the quantity name ? Surely not f, erf [algos], surely not x [scalar]. If the independent variable(s) x is discretized, that is a quantity name, chaining the dependent variable: that is acceptable but not readable. Functions in mathematics are represented, then calculated from their two inseparable components: the algo and their argument. What does ISO 31/80000 propose for "algo", "argument" ?... what colors ? and what about color blind persons.<BR /><BR /> Interesting ... and what about "programs".</I><BR /><BR />Read the SP811 that I gave a link to, Jean. Or try obtaining the ISO documents from your local library (they're not free).<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193722#M75946StuartBruff2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Is their a way to make MathCAD<BR />>equations look like the way<BR />>they do in textbooks? Formulas<BR />>and equations are normally<BR />>typeset in italics and<BR />>basically look totally<BR />>different to MathCAD<BR />>worksheets.<BR /><BR />See please the chapter 2 in my article "Formulae in scientific publications: problems and solutions":<BR /><A href="http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/formula/Engindex.html" target="_new">http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/formula/Engindex.html</A><BR /><BR />Val<BR /><A href="http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/v_ochkov.htm" target="_new">http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/v_ochkov.htm</A></BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193723#M75947ValeryOchkov2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>I have over 1100 type fonts loaded in my computer and I can imitate almost any printed book type. Nowhere can I see italics in professional textbooks. Sometimes in scientific journals at the top for a reference or summary if brief. <BR /></BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193724#M75948TheodoreM.Bones2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/8/2009 5:51:15 AM, bones7xx wrote:<BR />>I have over 1100 type fonts<BR />>loaded in my computer and I<BR />>can imitate almost any printed<BR />>book type. Nowhere can I see<BR />>italics in professional<BR />>textbooks. Sometimes in<BR />>scientific journals at the top<BR />>for a reference or summary if<BR />>brief.<BR />______________________________<BR /><BR />I have never seen Newspaper in italic either. Italic corrupts the normal human eye Fourier transform 5 lines/mm� for one thing, it does not enable comfortable smoothing on the screen, and dithering on the print. No Engineering documents, drawings, standards, books ... have ever been produced before my times and during my times. At school, "industrial drawing" was by hand and of minimum quality not italic that I still have pretty nice. I reject italic in mathematical body, simply. And I have no time arguing with ISO and adepts telling them to mind their business and ignorance. All the fonts I don't want in Mathcad have been removed, including the ISO & ANSI fonts from Smartsketch.<BR /><BR />Those who want italic, easy in Mathcad ...even white italic !<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193725#M75949ptc-13682882009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/8/2009 5:51:15 AM, bones7xx wrote:<BR />== Nowhere can I see italics in professional textbooks. Sometimes in scientific journals at the top for a reference or summary if brief. <BR /><BR />I have a stack of books on the handy-reference bookshelf in front of my computer - and I'm just picking them at random:<BR /><BR />Heisenberg, Physical Principles of the Quantum Theory, 1949, Dover Press.<BR />Gasiorowicz, Quantum Physics, 1996, Wiley<BR />Aller, The Atmospheres of the Sun and Stars, 1963,Ronald<BR />Kraus, Radio Astronomy, 1966, McGraw-Hill<BR />Goldberg, Genetic Algorithms, 1989, Addison-Wesley<BR />Penrose, <B>The Road to Reality</B>, 2005, Vintage<BR />Abramowitz & Stegun, Handbook of Mathematical Functions, 1972, Dover<BR />Woan, The Cambridge Handbook of Physics Formulas, 2003, CUP<BR />Enns & McGuire, Introductory Guide to the Mathematical Models of Science (using Maple), 2006, Springer Science<BR /><BR />All, I repeat All, of them consistently use italics to represent variables.<BR /><BR />Look at the last page of the following excerpt on Quantum Gravity: <A href="http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/37330/excerpt/9780521837330_excerpt.pdf" target="_new">http://assets.cambridge.org/97805218/37330/excerpt/9780521837330_excerpt.pdf</A><BR /><BR />or try <A href="http://books.google.com/books?id=BIGVrfO84lMC&pg=PP1&dq=%22robotics%22&ei=IOR9SoLLD5KgygTxqKTACg#v=onepage&q=&f=false" target="_new">http://books.google.com/books?id=BIGVrfO84lMC&pg=PP1&dq=%22robotics%22&ei=IOR9SoLLD5KgygTxqKTACg#v=onepage&q=&f=false</A><BR /><BR />(again, picked at random using google)<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193726#M75950StuartBruff2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Lest Stuart gets accused of stacking his deck, let's add:<BR /><BR />Applied Optics and Optical Engineering, R. Kingslake<BR />Roark's Formulas for Stress and Strain, W. Ypung<BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193727#M75951IRstuff2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Before your time, Mathcad 8 collabs have crucified to exhaustion the crappy italic pi ! Mathsoft changed it for normal. What about the crappy: pi, i, e, dx in Mathematica.<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193728#M75952ptc-13682882009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/8/2009 6:22:35 PM, jmG wrote:<BR />== Before your time, Mathcad 8 collabs have crucified to exhaustion the crappy italic pi ! Mathsoft changed it for normal. What about the crappy: pi, i, e, dx in Mathematica.<BR /><BR />What about it, Jean? <BR /><BR />Your contention is that *none* of the printed material you have seen uses italic font representation of mathematical variables. I have given counter-examples. The quality of such fonts is a different issue.<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193729#M75953StuartBruff2009-08-08T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Is their a way to make MathCAD<BR />>equations look like the way<BR />>they do in textbooks? Formulas<BR />>and equations are normally<BR />>typeset in italics and<BR />>basically look totally<BR />>different to MathCAD<BR />>worksheets. Maple and<BR />>Mathematica can do this so I'd<BR />>like to know how to do it in<BR />>MathCAD.<BR />><BR />>thanks<BR />_______________________________<BR /><BR />Mathcad can do all that too ! There was upon a time at the beginning of this collab, some Mathcaders flavoring all these gyzmas you are talking about, it didn't survive mostly considering the work sheet efficiency, Mathcad being essentially a Scientific package and the Engineers tool. Also the fact that copying all the gzma styles when pasting to another sheet the gyzma styles are not preserved and need be re-gyzmated !!!. <BR />The other point is that for the closest or the same font you see in the web (in your books also), you would have to have the same !FONT ! and if that font does not install by default when installing Windows, you would have to purchase from foreign source. At this point, as a personal user: fine. But none of your work sheet would be readable by the collab community. <BR />Of the so many 1000's work sheets I have posted in this collab, very exceptionally some have two/three styles, mostly for convenience because many work sheets are huge collections of modules. Though Mathcad is not a "publisher" it produces engineering documentation of exceptional quality and universally readable. Mathematica documentation is crappy (as it means !), the Maple italic makes me vomit, a does the Mathcad italic. <BR /><BR />"Mathcad Power users" [Mona expression] don't use italic, but you can do all what you want if you have plenty of time to spare. Again, math font styles and italic aren't the same and might have made this thread confusing. No + to say.<BR /><BR />Attached an example of the Mathcad crappy italic.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /> <BR /></BODY></HTML>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193730#M75954ptc-13682882009-08-09T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/8/2009 11:10:57 PM, stuartafbruff wrote:<BR />>What about it, Jean? <BR />><BR />>Your contention is that *none* of the<BR />>printed material you have seen uses<BR />>italic font representation of<BR />>mathematical variables. I have given<BR />>counter-examples. The quality of such<BR />>fonts is a different issue.<BR />><BR />>Stuart<BR /><BR />i'm going to stay out of this ... i'm going to stay out of this ...<BR /><BR />oops - was that my outside voice?<BR /><BR /> - Guy<BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193731#M75955GuyB2009-08-09T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Surely Jean, it was all the units that were in <BR />italics <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":winking_face:">😉</span> <BR /><BR />-------<BR />When I read a text book I tend not to notice if the <BR />bits are in italics. Usually it just looks 'right'.<BR /><BR />The discussion may be confusing the aspect of <BR />"looking right & consistent", with the common usage <BR />of italics in prose for <I>something special</I> just here.<BR /><BR />Looking at Unicode, lots of the 'special maths' text <BR />now has its own code so doesn't need 'italics' (have <BR />a look at all the variants of "h/H")<BR /><BR />regards<BR /><BR />Philip Oakley</BODY></HTML>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193732#M75956PhilipOakley2009-08-09T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>As someone new to mathcad I thought I might find some sensible discussion here. <BR /><BR />Try and find a math/physics text that doesn't have italicized variables. That would be a challenge. Obviously jmG has never seen LaTeX typesetting either.<BR /><BR />So back to my follow up question: given that textbooks DO italicize by default, why isn't it the mathcad default like it is in Mathematica nad Maple (haven't used Matlab so can't comment on it but it used to have Maple symbolics engine so presumably it italicized as well). Being used to seeing italicized variables it looks awkward without it.<BR /><BR />Mike<BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193733#M75957mikej19802009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/10/2009 12:15:10 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />== As someone new to mathcad I thought I might find some sensible discussion here.<BR /><BR />You usually will, but some people are rather attached to Mathcad the way it is, and have a rather individual take on what standards the rest of the world (including the standards organizations) ought to comply with.<BR /><BR />== Try and find a math/physics text that doesn't have italicized variables. That would be a challenge. Obviously jmG has never seen LaTeX typesetting either.<BR /><BR />Don't go there. Please. <BR /><BR /><IMG src="http://www.edvard-munch.com/Paintings/anxiety/scream_3.jpg" /><BR /><BR />See the following thread for a justification of the image above <BR /><A href="http://collab.mathsoft.com/read?61275,12e#61275" target="_new">http://collab.mathsoft.com/read?61275,12e#61275</A><BR /><BR />== So back to my follow up question: given that textbooks DO italicize by default, why isn't it the mathcad default like it is in Mathematica nad Maple (haven't used Matlab so can't comment on it but it used to have Maple symbolics engine so presumably it italicized as well). Being used to seeing italicized variables it looks awkward without it.<BR /><BR />I don't know why, but possibly because of appearance in earlier versions of Mathcad. However, it is easy enough to make it your default. Open the file normal.xmcd (in the application's area in the folder Templates), change the math styles to be what you want and save the template file. Next time you create a new file, it will use the settings you defined instead of the installation default (it's what I do).<BR /><BR />Stuart<BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193734#M75958StuartBruff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/10/2009 12:52:37 PM, stuartafbruff wrote:<BR />>> but some people are rather attached to Mathcad the way it is, <BR /><BR />Sorry, I meant Mathcad the way it <B>was</B> <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":confused_face:">😕</span></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193735#M75959StuartBruff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>Obviously jmG has never seen LaTeX typesetting either.<<br> _____________________________<BR /><BR />I have seen Mathcad as soon it had the equation editor [year ?] and Latex surely near it's birthday. We were quite in those things at the time I was "Consultant". For your "book style publishing", the best is asking PTC if they can register Latex special characters. The sensible discussion is that in Mathcad what you write is executable. And up until version 11, it does work with Windows fonts. If you like so much the Mathematica fonts, easy: their fonts were subcontracted to Publicon , which Publicon was free in the public domain. Mathcad does recognize some of their symbols, that I have used inadvertently at the beginning of the collab, with the feedback "can't read".<BR />Don't know if Publicon is free, no matter: download a trial version of Mathematica, Windows will install all the fonts, that you will have for free. Same applies to fonts and special symbols from Autocad ... etc.<BR />I'm not so much interested in the Latex nice characters, because they have no use in Mathcad. Latex could be simply glyphes and not anything like the common fonts: B�zier points mapped, that Windows smooths specially. Your "Latex Italic" has no equivalent in Windows, for one thing and for the other, mathematical notation turn confusing very soon (example attached, think about it in your next work sheet).<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193736#M75960ptc-13682882009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>"Why" is wholly different question. Maple and Mathematica have a mostly different audience and application than Mathcad. The former are both intended specifically for those that probably would publish their results.<BR /><BR />Mathcad was always intended, I think, to be an engineering scratchpad, with symbolic capability tacked on.<BR /><BR />Even with the new owners, the notion of documentation and provenance is mostly at the sheet level, rather than publication, per se. And certainly, PTC is not a place where mathematical publishing is a familiar millieu.<BR /><BR />However, have you tried to set the variables style to italic Times Roman at say, 14 pts? Seems to me that what's specified in Section 10 of NIST SP-811 is implementable in Mathcad, currently.<BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193737#M75961IRstuff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>The Alt-o,E method presented earlier is OK, and the method of editing Normal.xmct is better, IMO, although I simply made up a template that I load when I want a different look (I use several). But one of my difficulties with this subject is that Mathcad treats both variable names AND units as the same thing: variables. So even if I change the default, I still get either both non-italic or both italic, and if I want them to be separate (and I do, for all the reasons mentioned above), there is the awkwardness of changing every variable as I enter it. I made my new variable type to be aVariable, so that Alt-o,e,a gets me to a new variable type the fastest. There is not even a global search and replace for this action that I know of.<BR /><BR />Rich<BR /><A href="http://www.downeastengineering.com/" target="_new">http://www.downeastengineering.com/</A></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193738#M75962Ninetrees2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>>I have seen Mathcad as soon it had the equation editor [year ?] and Latex surely near it's birthday. We were quite in those things at the time I was "Consultant". For your "book style publishing", the best is asking PTC if they can register Latex special characters. The sensible discussion is that in Mathcad what you write is executable. And up until version 11, it does work with Windows fonts. If you like so much the Mathematica fonts, easy: their fonts were subcontracted to Publicon , which Publicon was free in the public domain. Mathcad does recognize some of their symbols, that I have used inadvertently at the beginning of the collab, with the feedback "can't read".<BR />Don't know if Publicon is free, no matter: download a trial version of Mathematica, Windows will install all the fonts, that you will have for free. Same applies to fonts and special symbols from Autocad ... etc.<BR />I'm not so much interested in the Latex nice characters, because they have no use in Mathcad. Latex could be simply glyphes and not anything like the common fonts: B�zier points mapped, that Windows smooths specially. Your "Latex Italic" has no equivalent in Windows, for one thing and for the other, mathematical notation turn confusing very soon (example attached, think about it in your next work sheet).<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR />Just for clarity I wasn't asking about special fonts or glyphs and cited LaTeX only as yet another example of italicized variables. Equation editor on Word would be yet another.<BR /><BR />Anyway thanks to all who responded.</BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193739#M75963mikej19802009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Ok, with some degree of difficulty:<BR /><BR />Mathcad:<BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Mathcad_typeset.gif" /><BR /><BR />SP811:<BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/SP811_typeset.gif" /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193740#M75964IRstuff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Ok, with some degree of difficulty:<BR /><BR />Mathcad:<BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Mathcad_typeset.gif" /><BR /><BR />SP811:<BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/SP811_typeset.gif" /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193741#M75965IRstuff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/10/2009 1:55:37 PM, eden_mei wrote:<BR />>Ok, with some degree of difficulty:<BR /><BR />>Mathcad:<BR /><BR />>SP811:<BR /><BR />There's at least one SP811 expression in there that can't be done as a single name, Eden. <I>λ</I><SUB>B</SUB> - Mathcad makes the entire name italic and won't allow the user to seperately format the (literal) subscript. One can cheat and use an indicial subscript, but that makes it difficult to search & replace, and (more importantly) means that one has to give B some dummy value to avoid getting undefined variable errors.<BR /><BR />Stuart<BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193742#M75966StuartBruff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>No argument there. Also, I couldn't get the hotbuttoned function names to be non-italic.<BR /><BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193743#M75967IRstuff2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><BR /><BR /><BR />A MathCad worksheet with variables in italics, constants in something else, and comments in a third font is too hard to read. Most high speed readers glance at a page quickly and don�t peek and poke along while mumbling to themselves.<BR /><BR />Reading printed books and journals is another matter, much slower and more concentration is needed, not the same as reading a worksheet with involved commands and comments that runs smoothly from top to bottom.<BR /><BR />I have personally owned some of those well known texts listed by a Forum member. I found plenty of errors in one (AMS-55) and upon taking one of them up with the editor, Ms. Irene Stegun over Legendre Functions, she left town. <BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193744#M75968TheodoreM.Bones2009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>Is their a way to make MathCAD equations look like the way they do in textbooks ? <<br> _______________________<BR /><BR />At message 35, go back with yourself and do the exercise at left. I can't tell about the smoothing, i.e: is it native from Latex or from the PDF, and if native from Latex, then install in the windows FONT subfolder and run in Mathcad. What I have said, maybe not clearly is that the Windows Italic fonts are not smoothed, thus about unreadable because the human eye Fourier transform is delayed by the cones remanance. That's what in other words Theodore is explaining too. <BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193745#M75969ptc-13682882009-08-10T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>One specific Russian typesetting equations problem:<BR /><IMG src="http://collab.mathsoft.com/upload/Russian-Vars.GIF" /><BR /><BR />Val<BR /><BR /><A href="http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/v_ochkov.htm" target="_new">http://twt.mpei.ac.ru/ochkov/v_ochkov.htm</A></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193746#M75970ValeryOchkov2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>You have the same problem as so many collabs before and this last visitor generating 36 threads: Mathcad is not a book publisher. Your problem for magazines and book seems only possible via Latex because Mathcad does recognize only executable styles, as well as Mathematica even more limited than Mathcad. And the question goes back to my last reply: is the Latex looks like italic, is it executable in Mathcad ? and the subscript is not separable from the main name. The book styles and their national variantes are not available in any math packages. For the originator in this thread it would be unwise and useless putting so much effort in a latex dead style expecting a 1/1 executable in Mathcad or else, because none of the Mathcad or else will produce the same document and still expecting the user interprets the latex style correctly. All what that means is that the "book styles" and the "executable styles" are incompatible conjectures. That differentiates the "ISO Technocrates" from Engineers. I would compare the "ISO Technocrate" to a college level kid who had found a square of same area of a circle, thinking he had solved "La Quadrature du Cercle". Another example of the "ISO Technocrate" is a person thinking that pi comes from accurately measuring the the length of the rope around a perfect cylinder. Further, the "Naive ISO Technocrates" is such a slow organisation. What comes good out of ISO is what they unified as good from elsewhere. <BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193747#M75971ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/11/2009 9:21:23 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>You have the same problem as<BR />>so many collabs before and<BR />>this last visitor generating<BR />>36 threads: Mathcad is not a<BR />>book publisher. Your problem<BR />>for magazines and book seems<BR />>only possible via Latex<BR />>because Mathcad does recognize<BR />>only executable styles, as<BR />>well as Mathematica even more<BR />>limited than Mathcad. And the<BR />>question goes back to my last<BR />>reply: is the Latex looks like<BR />>italic, is it executable in<BR />>Mathcad ? and the subscript is<BR />>not separable from the main<BR />>name. The book styles and<BR />>their national variantes are<BR />>not available in any math<BR />>packages. For the originator<BR />>in this thread it would be<BR />>unwise and useless putting so<BR />>much effort in a latex dead<BR />>style expecting a 1/1<BR />>executable in Mathcad or else,<BR />>because none of the Mathcad or<BR />>else will produce the same<BR />>document and still expecting<BR />>the user interprets the latex<BR />>style correctly. All what that<BR />>means is that the "book<BR />>styles" and the "executable<BR />>styles" are incompatible<BR />>conjectures. That<BR />>differentiates the "ISO<BR />>Technocrates" from Engineers.<BR />>I would compare the "ISO<BR />>Technocrate" to a college<BR />>level kid who had found a<BR />>square of same area of a<BR />>circle, thinking he had solved<BR />>"La Quadrature du Cercle".<BR />>Another example of the "ISO<BR />>Technocrate" is a person<BR />>thinking that pi comes from<BR />>accurately measuring the the<BR />>length of the rope around a<BR />>perfect cylinder. Further, the<BR />>"Naive ISO Technocrates" is<BR />>such a slow organisation. What<BR />>comes good out of ISO is what<BR />>they unified as good from<BR />>elsewhere.<BR />><BR />>jmG <BR /><BR />To jmG: it was a relatively simple question that I asked. I am not a LaTeX user and don't intend to become one. *However* LaTeX does typeset mathematical equations correctly ...where I am defining correctly as how the AMS wants them typeset and how the NIST wants them typeset. Equation editor in word, Maple and Mathematica also do the same (contrary to your misinformation or uninformed hand waving about the limitations of other software).<BR /><BR />Mathcad may not be a publisher but neither are Mathematica or Maple and I doubt that anyone would call Word a publisher either. But when people want to prepare documents to be read by others you'd expect default formatting to comply with what appears in thousands of textbooks and hundred of thousands of journal articles.<BR /><BR />You said you'd never seen variables italicized. I can't call that as wrong because I don't know what you have seen and not seen, but italicized variables are what appears in textbooks and journals. Occasionally forums have members who call black white and white black regardless. As to there being 36 threads it would seem to be due to some irrelevant ramblings.<BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193748#M75972mikej19802009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Huzzah!<BR /><BR />However, you'll soon learn that in addition to calling white black, some people are not so easily swayed...<BR /><BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193749#M75973IRstuff2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/11/2009 11:07:30 AM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>On 8/11/2009 9:21:23 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />....<BR />>You said you'd never seen variables italicized.<BR />_________________________<BR /><BR />All my books are like yours and others, "publisher characters" looking like italicized, but aren't italics that you can reproduce from Windows delivered fonts. You let understand that you have Latex, do the exercise on the left picture, that might tell you more and final put up a Mathcad work sheet in your Latex and check if it takes. Do better, make a Mathematica Latex and check if it takes. If they don't, no point trying to publish using either Mathcad or Mathematica, because they execute only their own fonts and most of the Windows native fonts and few more registered fonts and few more partial fonts from others.<BR />In other words to end this thread: put your Latex in the Widows FONT subfolder, check in the Mathcad sheet if it takes (you may have to run "RegTool"), make a simple test as this one.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Italic03.gif" /><BR /><BR />Read all the replies and decide which publisher to use. <BR />You confuse "publisher characters in general" and executable characters. Open any Mathematica NoteBook from their download, and make them Latex or else publisher, make an image of it with the same result and attach. Math Packages and publisher aren't the same thing. I have helped you so much, you can just figure that I know what I'm talking about. <BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193750#M75974ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Is their a way to make MathCAD<BR />>equations look like the way<BR />>they do in textbooks? .....><BR />_____________________________<BR /><BR />Dozens of visitors have asked same and more, for their publisher project. Same replies in different forms ... and no work sheet to see. In PC's there is no drawer where to plug a book and no button to push for either Mathcad, Mathematica... to read the book and crunch numbers. That's the real answer, today !<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193751#M75975ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>> Open<BR />>any Mathematica NoteBook from their<BR />>download, and make them Latex or else<BR />>publisher, make an image of it with the<BR />>same result and attach. <BR /><BR />I'm not sure what part of I don't use LaTeX, never have used LaTeX, and don't plan on using LaTeX you don't understand. I presume you are being deliberately obtuse.<BR /><BR />Attached are the images you requested, plus images for Maple and Open Office (I don't have Word on this computer). These are all default typesetting of equations. Axes labels had to be entered because the default rendering didn't have a label.<BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193752#M75976mikej19802009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>Axes labels had to be entered because the default rendering didn't have a label. ><BR />__________________________<BR /><BR />What ! Mathcad automatically shows or hides labels.<BR />f(x) ... Mathematica equation , NO f[x]<BR />= is a constrain in Mathcad<BR />:= is a definition in Mathcad , not quite the same. That shows again the publisher style is to be converted to executable.<BR /><BR />Several collabs have posted examples of the function name normal and the argument italic in Mathcad. Again, do some shopping for your best publisher, Mathcad is an active math package. Can't help not knowing what you are after. If you are in your first days of Mathcad, visit their examples. Open the *.PDF "User manual". <BR /><BR />Are you in maths or publishing, that is the question.<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193754#M75978ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>In maths, the old DOS platform QuickBasic never had italics. The celebrat5ed 1938 German text "Tables of Functions" by Janke-Emde had sections devoid of italics.<BR /><BR />In publishing, this is all another matter. I think MathCad is programmed without italics, and posting it is not publishing it. <BR /><BR />Then there is uncorrected anstigmanism of the eye, that can surely make reading italics difficult and unpopular. Slanted type lines can read worse. Hence a blanket denial of italics is just either "do in Rome as the Romans do" with MathCad or an apology for bad reading glasses.<BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193755#M75979TheodoreM.Bones2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/11/2009 1:12:26 PM, jmG wrote:<BR />>>Axes labels had to be entered because the default rendering didn't have a label. ><BR />>__________________________<BR />><BR />>What ! Mathcad automatically<BR />>shows or hides labels.<BR />>f(x) ... Mathematica equation<BR />>, NO f[x]<BR />>= is a constrain in Mathcad<BR />>:= is a definition in Mathcad<BR />>, not quite the same. That<BR />>shows again the publisher<BR />>style is to be converted to<BR />>executable.<BR />><BR />>Several collabs have posted<BR />>examples of the function name<BR />>normal and the argument italic<BR />>in Mathcad. Again, do some<BR />>shopping for your best<BR />>publisher, Mathcad is an<BR />>active math package. Can't<BR />>help not knowing what you are<BR />>after. If you are in your<BR />>first days of Mathcad, visit<BR />>their examples. Open the *.PDF<BR />>"User manual".<BR />><BR />>Are you in maths or<BR />>publishing, that is the<BR />>question.<BR />><BR />>jmG <BR /><BR /><BR />I've been talking all along about typesetting for documents--producing documents from worksheets etc. You keep wanting to talk about LaTeX and now programming.<BR /><BR />FWIW here's the screen grab of an actual program in Mathematica. It contains := but like I said I have been talking about writing equations. In Maple I only use the Math mode so it is the same as I previously attached.<BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193756#M75980mikej19802009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>I have astigmatism (no kidding) and while I wear glasses when using the computer I have never had any trouble reading italics without glasses. The fact that I should have (trouble) is news to me.<BR /><BR />Presumably "Rome" is defined as Mathcad, because if it were defined as the rest of the world then doing what the Romans do would mean conforming to AMS and NIST standards like other softwares do.</BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193757#M75981mikej19802009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>putting EVERYTHING in italics in Mathcad is quite straightforward, but is that what you need/want?<BR /><BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193758#M75982IRstuff2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>>>As someone new to mathcad I thought I might find some sensible discussion here.<<<BR /><BR />You generally can. But every now and then somebody gets into their head the quaint notion of arguing with jmG. Sanity is best served by ignoring such arguments.<BR /><BR />As to what Jean has or hasn't seen -- he posted a sheet here that included some scanned images from some reference text. These images show math constructs set in italics. Draw your own conclusions as to whether he saw that which he included in his sheet.<BR />__________________<BR />� � � � Tom Gutman</BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193759#M75983TomGutman2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>"...conforming to AMS and NIST standards like other softwares do". <BR />____________________<BR /><BR />I keep repeating no software do, especially Mathematica. When you read Eric web page you read CRC publisher style. But the software does not go by publisher style, rather by the executable typesetting as delivered by Windows. Attached Bernoulli from the download NoteBook, all normal or all italic, can't even separate numbers style from the letters style ... worst than Mathcad. <BR /><BR />Post a work sheet, many collabs will do their best. Books are dead stuff like dead stones, software need be coded so the dead stones grow wings.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Italic04.gif" /><BR /><BR />jmG <BR /> <BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193760#M75984ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/11/2009 3:59:29 PM, Tom_Gutman wrote:<BR />>>>As someone new to mathcad I thought I might find some sensible discussion here.<<<BR />....<BR />>As to what Jean has or hasn't<BR />>seen -- he posted a sheet here<BR />>that included some scanned<BR />>images from some reference<BR />>text. These images show math<BR />>constructs set in italics.<BR />>Draw your own conclusions as<BR />>to whether he saw that which<BR />>he included in his sheet.<BR />>__________________<BR />>� � � � Tom Gutman<BR />_____________________<BR /><BR />Not scanned, straight from the web. The question to Mike is type a Latex y in the book style and check if it does look exactly the same as the Windows unsmoothed italic. It could be that the books style would just be ignored and considered as "simply Windows italic". At 51 threads, no collab had that kind of answer, then ask PTC directly . Maybe they have an interpreter not for public or commercial use. I have been in those styles for many years with my clients, the best text and math styles were the Foxboro technical sheets, their answer to me (and my clients): proprietary ... end of it. They had their own software, with print output of their special proprietary characters a lot more beautiful and easy to read than the only FORTRAN in those years.<BR /><BR />Sorry, can't help more w/o work sheet and the intent of it.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /><BR /> <BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193761#M75985ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/11/2009 3:59:29 PM, Tom_Gutman wrote:<BR />>>>As someone new to mathcad I thought I might find some sensible discussion here.<<<BR />><BR />>You generally can. But every<BR />>now and then somebody gets<BR />>into their head the quaint<BR />>notion of arguing with jmG.<BR />>Sanity is best served by<BR />>ignoring such arguments.<BR />><BR /><BR />yeah I have figured that. Also that mathcad typesets differently to Word, Open Office, Mathematica, Maple -- who all attempt to do it the way that AMS and NIST want it done, and make it easy to do I might add-- because that's the way it is. In all these softwares if you want to do it differently you can, just like it seems that if you want to try and do it correctly in mathcad you can (it seems), sort of anyway. I'm not sure what the point of him posting images of non-typeset stuff and of programs was for, other than red herrings, since it wasn't what I asked about.<BR /><BR />But thanks to others who have made sane replies for me.<BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193762#M75986mikej19802009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>If you're in the habit of requiring your sheets to look that way, you can save the prototype sheet as a template, and you can use that template for any new sheets that need to look or behave a certain way.<BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/italic_template.gif" /><BR /><BR />TTFN,<BR />Eden</BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193763#M75987IRstuff2009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Is there a way to make MathCAD<BR />>equations look like the way<BR />>they do in textbooks? <BR />.......<BR />>thanks<BR />____________________________<BR /><BR />Options not previously proposed:<BR /><BR /><A href="http://www.high-logic.com/fontcreator.html" target="_new">http://www.high-logic.com/fontcreator.html</A><BR /><BR />"Equation Illustrator" (search the web.<BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193764#M75988ptc-13682882009-08-11T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/7/2009 4:06:40 PM, mikej1980 wrote:<BR />>Is their a way to make MathCAD<BR />>equations look like the way<BR />>they do in textbooks? Formulas<BR />>and equations are normally<BR />>typeset in italics and<BR />>basically look totally<BR />>different to MathCAD<BR />>worksheets. Maple and<BR />>Mathematica can do this so I'd<BR />>like to know how to do it in<BR />>MathCAD.<BR />><BR />>thanks<BR />______________________________<BR /><BR />I noticed three distinctions: Italic, Oblique, Slant. The last Mathematica image you have seen is "slant" though in the face option it is called "italic". You can see that clearly comparing with Eden Mathcad "italic" . Some of these links will tell you everything about the actual fonts in the math market. What I have said about the readability and the human eye, others have said the same in different words, a most important factor for the "papers" and eventually work sheets. Also, I mentioned getting informed at PTC for an eventual coding, that makes sense unless some collabs can reply directly ... it makes sense as it seems that lot of these math fonts can be coded in any type characters. Adobe has the ISO but incomplete. The Post Script fonts are probably the one that will make you happy as they are "hinted" ( my expression was "smoothed" )because they are "scalable vector fonts". <BR /><BR />My main point (other collabs too) was that Mathcad does not distinguish decorations neither in the variable name or in the argument. Mathcad only recognizes what is executable. If it would be otherwise, the confusion would be total and rendering work sheets not interpretable, also considering as many decorative styles as there would be users.<BR /><BR />That's about a start of the "sensitive discussion/help". The next step you may be interested in is the WRI fonts. My understanding is that it will open somewhere in Windows (see the instructions) and from there you can just plug into the FONTS and you will not need the Mathematica package to have them at hand... Do I interpret correctly ? What they don't say either is with what Windows applications they will work, maybe with their math package only, I bet on that ... then you will have to purchase an expensive and specific package surely not ISO ! and probably more confusing than useful as f[x] that if you write ISO f(x) will return a blue page of errors to the inadverted user.<BR /><BR />Read more and visit more:<BR /><BR />.........................<BR /><BR /><A href="http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-1/hartke/hartke.pdf" target="_new">http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-1/hartke/hartke.pdf</A><BR /><A href="http://www.appliedsymbols.com/cm/" target="_new">http://www.appliedsymbols.com/cm/</A><BR /><A href="http://support.wolfram.com/technotes/fonts/windows/latestfonts.html" target="_new">http://support.wolfram.com/technotes/fonts/windows/latestfonts.html</A><BR />READ THIS AGREEMENT CAREFULLY BEFORE PROCEEDING. IT IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN WOLFRAM RESEARCH, INC. (�WRI�), AND YOU. ACCEPTANCE OF ITS TERMS CREATES A BINDING CONTRACT BETWEEN YOU AND WRI.<BR /><BR />Wolfram Research, Inc. (�WRI�) licenses Mathematica� fonts to individual users downloading from this site. All WRI fonts are copyright Wolfram Research, Inc. or its vendors. All rights reserved. WRI fonts are not in the public domain.<BR /><BR />WRI reserves the right to control all distribution of the Mathematica fonts and does not, at this time, allow them to be widely distributed via any servers, archives, or non-WRI software products of any kind without express written consent of WRI. There are no restrictions on embedding the fonts in documents transmitted to service bureaus, publishers, or other users of WRI products. There are no restrictions on widely distributing metrics files generated from the Mathematica fonts.<BR /><BR />WRI does not require authors to credit Wolfram Research for the use of the Mathematica fonts in published papers. However, such credit is appreciated. �Mathematica fonts by Wolfram Research, Inc.� is sufficient.<BR />Mathematica 4.1<BR /><A href="http://support.wolfram.com/technotes/fonts/windows/files/MathFonts_TrueType_41.exe" target="_new">http://support.wolfram.com/technotes/fonts/windows/files/MathFonts_TrueType_41.exe</A> <BR />This file will self-extract into a folder name MathFonts_TrueType_41. You should copy these fonts into both of the following locations.<BR /><BR />� C:\Windows\Fonts\<BR /> <BR />� C:\Program Files\Wolfram Research\Mathematica\4.1\SystemFiles\Fonts\Windows\<BR /> <BR /><BR />(If you�re using Mathematica 3.0 or 4.0, you can replace the 4.1 above with 3.0 or 4.0.)<BR /><BR />The most recent version of the special Mathematica fonts in PostScript format is available from the following link.<BR /><BR /><A href="ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/fonts/amsfonts/doc/amsfndoc.pdf" target="_new">ftp://ftp.dante.de/tex-archive/fonts/amsfonts/doc/amsfndoc.pdf</A><BR /><BR />PostScript fonts are outline font specifications developed by Adobe Systems for professional digital typesetting, which uses PostScript file format to encode font information.<BR /><BR />By using PostScript (PS) language, the glyphs are described with cubic B�zier curves (as opposed to the quadratic curves of TrueType), and thus a single set of glyphs can be resized through simple mathematical transformations, which can then be sent to a PostScript-ready printer. Because the data of Type 1 is a description of the outline of a glyph and not a raster image, Type 1 fonts are commonly referred to as "outline fonts". For users wanting to preview these typefaces on an electronic display, small versions of a font need extra hints and anti-aliasing to look legible and attractive on screen. This often came in the form of an additional bitmap font of the same typeface, optimized for screen display. Otherwise, in order to preview the Type 1 fonts in typesetting applications, the Adobe Type Manager utility was required.<BR /><BR />Font hinting is the use of mathematical instructions to adjust the display of an outline font so that it lines up with a rasterized grid. At small screen sizes, with or without antialiasing, hinting is critical for producing a clear, legible text for human readers. It is also known as instructing.<BR /><BR />For the purpose of on-screen text display, font hinting instructs which primary pixels are interpolated to more clearly render a font.<BR /><BR />One popular and recognizable form of hinting is found in the TrueType font format, released in 1991 by Apple Computer. Hinting in TrueType invokes tables of font data used to render fonts properly on screen. One aspect of TrueType hinting is grid-fitting, which modifies the height and width of font characters to line up to the set pixel grid of screen display. The open-source FreeType font rendering engine uses an auto-hinter when such hinting data is not present or its use is restricted by a software patent.<BR /><BR />Hints are usually created in a font editor during the typeface design process and embedded in the font. A font can be hinted either automatically (through processed algorithms based on the character outlines) or set manually. Most font editors are able to do automatic hinting, and this approach is suitable for many fonts. However, commercial fonts of the highest quality are often manually hinted to provide the sharpest appearance on computer displays. Verdana is one example of a font that contains a large amount of hinting data, much of which was accomplished manually by type engineer Tom Rickner, who also helped develop TrueType.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /><BR /> <BR /><BR /> <BR /></BODY></HTML>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193765#M75989ptc-13682882009-08-12T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/12/2009 2:19:16 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />== My main point (other collabs too) was that Mathcad does not distinguish decorations neither in the variable name or in the argument. Mathcad only recognizes what is executable. If it would be otherwise, the confusion would be total and rendering work sheets not interpretable, also considering as many decorative styles as there would be users.<BR /><BR />Mathcad does distinguish between 'decorations' in the sense that the math style name forms part of the variable name.<BR /><BR />The xmcd file defines the style at the beginning of the worksheet, eg mathStyle name="User 7" font-family="Tahoma" font-charset="0" font-size="12" font-weight="bold" font-style="italic" underline="false"/><BR /><BR />The xmcd file defines the variables in the region section, eg ml:id xml:space="preserve" font="10">x</ml:id where the "ml:id" bound the variable name and "font=" identifies which math style applies.<BR /><BR />In Mathcad 7, the equivalents would be<BR />.CMD DEFINE_FONTSTYLE_NAME fontID=10 name=User^7<BR />{10:x}<BR /><BR />Hence validating the assertion that the math style forms part of a variable name.<BR /><BR />The main problem with the appearance of italics is due to the limitations of the Mathcad screen render coupled to what, for many, is still a fairly coarse display resolution - it's the 'staggering' of the pixels in the italic lines that creates the problem. <BR /><BR />Try looking at the attached worksheet in 150% or 200% zoom - the fonts look much better, although still a little bit jagged (look at the radical sign).<BR /><BR />Better yet, print it out - the italics look fine.<BR /><BR />Or export it to pdf, Adobe Reader does a better job of smoothing the lines on screen than Mathcad does. Zoom to 100%, 150% and 200% to see the difference.<BR /><BR />The attached worksheet also gives the Latex program that generated the text in the 'image' that I used as the basis for the 'Mathcad' content. (note default equation text is italic, \rm = roman and \bf = bold font). A Latex file is 'simply' a means of telling a Latex processor what to draw and is notionally equivalent to postscript or pdf in that sense.<BR /><BR />The functional impact on Mathcad by providing Latex output would be about zero.<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193766#M75990StuartBruff2009-08-12T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations - LaTeX
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Old, but may be of some interest to somebody. Shows how to generate a LaTeX version of a Mathcad worksheet (M11 or M2001)<BR /><BR /><A href="http://www.tilman.de/programme/mathparser/anleitung_en.html" target="_new">http://www.tilman.de/programme/mathparser/anleitung_en.html</A><BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193767#M75991StuartBruff2009-08-12T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 8/12/2009 4:30:08 AM, stuartafbruff wrote:<BR />>On 8/12/2009 2:19:16 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>== My main point (other collabs too) was<BR />>that Mathcad does not distinguish<BR />>decorations neither in the variable name<BR />>or in the argument. Mathcad only<BR />>recognizes what is executable. If it<BR />>would be otherwise, the confusion would<BR />>be total and rendering work sheets not<BR />>interpretable, also considering as many<BR />>decorative styles as there would be<BR />>users.<BR />><BR />>Mathcad does distinguish between<BR />>'decorations' in the sense that the math<BR />>style name forms part of the variable<BR />>name.<BR />><BR />>The xmcd file defines the style at the<BR />>beginning of the worksheet, eg mathStyle<BR />>name="User 7" font-family="Tahoma"<BR />>font-charset="0" font-size="12"<BR />>font-weight="bold" font-style="italic"<BR />>underline="false"/><BR />><BR />>The xmcd file defines the variables in<BR />>the region section, eg ml:id<BR />>xml:space="preserve"<BR />>font="10">x >"ml:id" bound the variable name and<BR />>"font=" identifies which math style<BR />>applies.<BR />><BR />>In Mathcad 7, the equivalents would be<BR />>.CMD DEFINE_FONTSTYLE_NAME fontID=10<BR />>name=User^7<BR />>{10:x}<BR />><BR />>Hence validating the assertion that the<BR />>math style forms part of a variable<BR />>name.<BR />><BR />>The main problem with the appearance of<BR />>italics is due to the limitations of the<BR />>Mathcad screen render coupled to what,<BR />>for many, is still a fairly coarse<BR />>display resolution - it's the<BR />>'staggering' of the pixels in the italic<BR />>lines that creates the problem.<BR />><BR />>Try looking at the attached worksheet in<BR />>150% or 200% zoom - the fonts look much<BR />>better, although still a little bit<BR />>jagged (look at the radical sign).<BR />><BR />>Better yet, print it out - the italics<BR />>look fine.<BR />><BR />>Or export it to pdf, Adobe Reader does a<BR />>better job of smoothing the lines on<BR />>screen than Mathcad does. Zoom to 100%,<BR />>150% and 200% to see the difference.<BR />><BR />>The attached worksheet also gives the<BR />>Latex program that generated the text in<BR />>the 'image' that I used as the basis for<BR />>the 'Mathcad' content. (note default<BR />>equation text is italic, \rm = roman and<BR />>\bf = bold font). A Latex file is<BR />>'simply' a means of telling a Latex<BR />>processor what to draw and is notionally<BR />>equivalent to postscript or pdf in that<BR />>sense.<BR />><BR />>The functional impact on Mathcad by<BR />>providing Latex output would be about<BR />>zero.<BR />><BR />>Stuart<BR />_______________________<BR /><BR />Thanks for your interest Stuart,<BR /><BR />Your Latex coding, codes directly in ORIGINLAB. It codes on a special template as well as on the plotting graphic, but I didn't use for at least 8 years and my use was limited to better displays in the graphic. Back to the WRI fonts, they are those specials characters/symbols particular to Mathematica... their interest as math equation is zero absolute 0 ! The AMSF are free, maybe worth a try for the originator... and my point here is about using them "as Mathcad executable" as far as Mathcad is receptive and if they are smoothed and if they can be coded.<BR /><BR />Nothing to add on my part. The originator wanted "Mathcad italic", Mathcad has italic but it does not have italic because the Windows italic fonts are crappy enough to scare flies. As a byside remark, the Mathcad parentheses go by the the Verdana, i.e: for colored brackets define a user7 dunmmy variable Verdana and you will get all the brackets in color, just very distinctive.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Italic05.gif" /><BR /><BR />jmG<BR /><BR /> <BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193768#M75992ptc-13682882009-08-12T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>I use sometimes Leibnitz font, from an old version of a front end for mathematica, but this font isn't free. Italics appears in 'normal' font, so, greek chars don't appears in italics.<BR /><BR />Problem is that no body have installed this font, and there are no option to embed the font into mathcad document.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/leibnitz%20font.gif" /><BR /><BR />Alvaro.</BODY></HTML>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193769#M75993AlvaroDíaz2009-09-27T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>Alvaro,<BR /><BR />Yes, this font is free, how ?<BR /><BR />Download the Mathematica free trial version, it will install all their fonts, and these fonts remain in the Windows. The Mathematica fonts were designed by Publicon (one of their subcontract), and at the time I got Publicon, it was free from the web. Same thing with most fonts from other sources than the Mathcd CD.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Fonts09.gif" /><BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193770#M75994ptc-13682882009-09-27T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/27/2009 9:19:23 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>Alvaro,<BR />><BR />>Yes, this font is free, how ?<BR /><BR />Not, isn't free. You can try to download a trial version of the software where it is from<BR /> <A href="http://www.directmath.com." target="_new">http://www.directmath.com.</A> <BR /><BR />Leibniz font have not accented chars (like � � �) so ins't good to write, but for variables font in mathcad is ok.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/leibm_font.gif" /><BR /><BR />Font is derived from AMS TeX font, so, there are some other similars and free in the web.<BR /><BR />Alvaro<BR /></BODY></HTML>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193771#M75995AlvaroDíaz2009-09-27T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/27/2009 12:50:10 PM, adiaz wrote:<BR />>On 9/27/2009 9:19:23 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>>Alvaro,<BR />>><BR />>>Yes, this font is free ... [jmG]<BR />><BR />>Not, isn't free. [Alvaro].<BR />___________________________<BR /><BR />YES, Mathematica fonts are free if you follow my guidance. <BR />You seem to be going back to square -1 <BR />1. Fonts creation is a very difficult project<BR />2. "slanted" & "italic" aren't the same.<BR />3. some size 9type) aren't B�zier points.<BR /><BR /><IMG src="https://community.ptc.com/upload/Fonts10.gif" /><BR /><BR />4. The suggestion from some standards already mentioned aren't "like legal standard" which standard is still in many court room "Pica", which "Pica" is well accepted as TNR, which TNR is universally recognized the most comfortable to read except for l, ., -<BR />5. It would be a gross mistake to use fonts that Mathcad don't directly or indirectly register from the install CD.<BR />6. Font dreamers dream in terms of "papers", in non executable Mathcad style, i.e: useless pain & prestige.<BR />7. There are "paper style fonts", why to invent more ?<BR />8. The most honestly designed Mathcad fonts will not please all in consideration of national and firm standards, vg: German derivative.<BR />9. For serious users, <BR />Mathcad must be productive, uniform of excellent presentation.<BR />10. Too many gyzmas screw the regions.<BR />11. ... +++ ... version compatibility.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /> <BR /><BR /><BR /><BR /></BODY></HTML>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193772#M75996ptc-13682882009-09-27T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/27/2009 4:49:27 PM, jmG wrote:<BR /><BR />>YES, Mathematica fonts are free if you follow my guidance.<BR /><BR />That's true, but Leibniz (the font that I use sometimes) isn't free, and isn't a Mathematica (TM) font. Is a font from "Leibniz front end for Mathematica" This is the old name, the author now call his program as DirectMath.<BR /><BR />Very similar fonts (and free) are "TeX's Computer Modern Fonts" avaibles at<BR /><BR /><A href="http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/" target="_new">http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mathml/fonts/</A><BR /><BR />a very old page from mozilla, but have actualizations from time to time.<BR /><BR />>2. "slanted" & "italic" aren't the same.<BR /><BR />In spanish there are not italics fonts: they are "bastardillas", which came from the word that seems to came. Also are "cursiva" or "manuscrita" (handwriting). Actually, I don't understand from where came the name 'italic', because the usual type from Italy, and what you can see in the old inscriptions at any Italian city, is similar to Roman type, without inclination.<BR /><BR />>5. It would be a gross mistake to use fonts that Mathcad don't directly or indirectly register from the install CD.<BR /><BR />What I say in this is that using a font which in 'normal' form is like 'italic' (actually, a similar-TeX font) is that this don't 'italize' greek letters. This alse make the setting only in the Variables fonts, without any trick or calling other mathcad user styles, which I preserve for matrices in bold arial, or things like this. So, this is a very clean mathcad method.<BR /><BR />>6. Font dreamers dream in terms of "papers", in non executable Mathcad style, i.e: useless pain & prestige.<BR /><BR />Changing the default font for variables have not interference with the normal mathcad behavoir. And the result is having a math style much more similar with the books. This clicking only in the font box for changing directly Variables font default, only one time, and without any other setting.<BR /><BR />Regards. Alvaro.</BODY></HTML>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193773#M75997AlvaroDíaz2009-09-27T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>OK, Alvaro ... let's make it short.<BR /><BR />Read all what you can about fonts and the kind of hard work it would be to create one and in different sizes. "Italic" has nothing to do with "Italy", just a name given by some of the font creator for Microsoft. Any good amateur could create fonts on his own ( not using font creator software), for which there would be no possible pattern recognition ... no FBI, no nobody could "catalog" or "catalog unknown" ! Latex paper style today will not be the same in years as per the dreamers and individual mathematician notations. Standard fonts from Microsoft are there to stay, especially TNR after the long dispute between the New York Times & the London Times, from which dispute TNR resulted.<BR />Engineers need to produce and present. Mathcad since the beginning has offered that, most universally and essentially in what is called "Latin style".<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193774#M75998ptc-13682882009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/28/2009 12:25:21 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />== "Italic" has nothing to do with "Italy", just a name given by some of the font creator for Microsoft<BR /><BR />Google not working on your machines? <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:">🙂</span><BR /><BR />Called <I>italic</I> because it originated in Italy.<BR /><BR /><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_type" target="_new">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italic_type</A><BR /><BR />In particular, look at the reference: <A href="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24829/24829-h/24829-h.htm" target="_new">http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24829/24829-h/24829-h.htm</A><BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193775#M75999StuartBruff2009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>"Called italic because it originated in Italy".<BR />_____________________<BR /><BR />Maybe inspired from the dark age "copyist". The ugly "Microsoft Italic" has surely nothing to do with the "Italian elegance" in general.<BR /><BR />jmG<BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193776#M76000ptc-13682882009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/28/2009 2:10:21 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>"Called italic because it<BR />>originated in Italy".<BR />>_____________________<BR />><BR />>Maybe inspired from the dark<BR />>age "copyist". The ugly<BR />>"Microsoft Italic" has surely<BR />>nothing to do with the<BR />>"Italian elegance" in general.<BR />><BR />>jmG<BR />_______________________<BR /><BR />I was damned right before reading Wiki that you misinterpreted:<BR />"This style is called "italic" for historic reasons."<BR />Just for historic reason, all muffed by unskilled.<BR /><BR />jmG <BR /></BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193777#M76001ptc-13682882009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY>On 9/28/2009 2:15:31 AM, jmG wrote:<BR />>I was damned right before reading Wiki<BR />>that you misinterpreted:<BR />>"This style is called "italic" for<BR />>historic reasons."<BR />>Just for historic reason, all muffed by<BR />>unskilled.<BR /><BR /><BR />Quite right, old boy. The "historic reason" being that the font type originated in Italy.<BR /><BR /><A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_typography#Italic_type" target="_new">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Western_typography#Italic_type</A><BR /><BR />"The "Aldino" style quickly became known as "italic" from its Italian origin."<BR /><BR />Stuart</BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193778#M76002StuartBruff2009-09-28T07:00:00Ztypesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY></BODY></HTML>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:00:00 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193779#M76003AlvaroDíaz2009-09-28T07:00:00ZRe: typesetting equations
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<HTML><HEAD></HEAD><BODY><BLOCKQUOTE><TABLE border="1"><TBODY><TR><TD>"Any good amateur could create fonts on his own..." <BR /></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Grabbing my chest while trying to breath! Font creation is mixture of artistry and technology. There are many kinds of fonts, TTF, Type 1, Type 3 and most recently OpenType. It is not owned by Microsoft. I'm aghast.</P></BODY></HTML>Thu, 31 Mar 2011 22:43:28 GMThttps://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad/typesetting-equations/m-p/193780#M76004HollyDeVogt2011-03-31T22:43:28Z