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Filling gaps on surface profile

makiah
1-Newbie

Filling gaps on surface profile

I wanted to create an irregular shape of human disc using the surface feature. I manage to construct the shape as per the sequence below:

1) Boundary blend at the wall area

2) Boundary blend at the top surface

3) Boundary blend at the bottom surface

ivd_iso_withsketchline.jpg

The blue line is the sketch reference used for the boundary blend feature.

ivd_iso.jpg

The final shape that I manage to construct.

I wanted to SOLIDIFY the image so that I can assign material properties to the structure -- but, it failed. I assumed it may be caused by gaps coexisted between the TOP - WALL - BOTTOM boundary. So I figured maybe I can export this file to .stp file, reimport the file with PTC Parametric and utilise the IDD (Import Data Doctor) to close any possible gaps.

However, when exporting the surface to .stp (or iges.) format, it only export the little two circle (see image below) which was created using style > surface feature. WHY WHY WHY OH DEAR LORD is this happening? Been working on this for weeks and it's driving me crazy! Is there any way I can convert the boundary blend surface as SURFACE to be exported as STP file?

prt0002.jpg

ivd_iso_withnohiddenline.jpg

Here is the wireframe view of the above model.

Please, help!


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TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:makiah)

Well, I did say it was a trick; not necessarily a solution.

However, by the same token, you can place a datum point in the middle of the hole and do the same thing.

Add tangency at the edges of the bounding surface and put a pin in it.

The point can be located by drawing a datum curve between two opposite vertices. Then place a point at 0.5 ratio along the curve. If you don't like the 1st result, you can tweak the points location or the shape of the datum curve, which also can be managed with tangency.

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MartinHanak
23-Emerald V
(To:makiah)

Hi,

I guess that there are no real gaps in your model. Your model consists of 3 separate quilts. To be able to solidify the model, you have to merge 3 quilts into 1. Simply select two quilts and apply Merge command. You will need 2 Merge features to get the requested quilt.

Martin Hanak


Martin Hanák

Hi Martin,

Thank for your enlightenment. I manage to merge to bottom-to-wall quilt. But when I merge the top-to-wall quilt, the top surface was deleted.

aftermerge.jpg

Zoomed up image of the top-to-wall boundary is as below:

gap2.jpg

Seems like some area are intersecting, while some other area are the gap. Tried the trim command, but doesn't change the end result.

MartinHanak
23-Emerald V
(To:makiah)

Hi,

  • Merge command has two options - Intersect and Join. Did you try both of them ? There are "arrow", which enable to change side to be included in the merge
  • Did the second Merge fail ?
  • maybe you can redefine TOP quilt and use WALL boundary edge as reference instead of datum curve

Martin Hanak


Martin Hanák

Yeah, the Merge failed during the first try. It suggest to try the trim/extend command..

So I redefine a new curve as the reference boundary point for of the wall and top+bottom surface -- and it works just as I wanted! Thanks!

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire I
(To:makiah)

What is it, a bean bag chair?

Just to answer your curiosity. it's the disc in between the vertebral bone.

l4l5segment.jpg

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:makiah)

I find playing with irregular surfaces absolutely frustrating in Creo.

What I normally end up doing is going after it in many different ways up to and including manipulating the default import features by changing the defaults prior to the import being done. It seems to heal a few issues but not much. In general, the export will come back the same or worse.

I think in your case, the technique is in the creation of the boundary blends and style features. You probably don't need the style feature in this case.

Can you post the model just before the merge function to see what others can do with this? Also state what version you are using... Creo 2.0, 3.0, or academic, trial, all change what people can do with it. An IGES and STEP export will be somewhat universal.

And the graphic "disconnects" may be just that, graphic artifacts. Creo is very particular about which edges you use to create things that are intended for merge.

It took years but I finally got IDD to zip up some edges... and I am beginning to understand some of it geometry error messages and how to resolve the. Again... not one solution, but many to try.

Hi,

Ok, so I manage to improve the surface features by redefining the boundary curve between top-wall-bottom surface. It seems to work as I wanted using boundary blend command..

BUT, now, the glitch is -- there's a real hole in my model which I cannot fill. Tried to fill it with the command below:

- fill

- style (I keep re-adjusting the sequence of boundary line chosen)

- boundary blend

without much success..

Here's the link to the STEP file. I'm currently using Ceo Parametric 3.0 student version.

https://grabcad.com/library/intervertebral-disc-1/files/141210_ivd_L4L5.stp

MartinHanak
23-Emerald V
(To:makiah)

Hi,

to upload STEP file to communities.ptc.com, click Use advanced editor link (top right corner of Reply window) and use Browse command located at the bottom side of text area (I do not want to create Grabcad account).

I guess that you have solid model in Creo Parametric 3.0 Student version and when you export it into STEP and reimport it into Creo, it contains gaps.

Is it true ?

Why do you export STEP file ?

Did you try other export formats ?

Martin Hanak


Martin Hanák

I asked Masni to export the step, Martin. But like you, I also have no desire to create yet another account. And since the issue is solved, no worries

dschenken
21-Topaz I
(To:makiah)

Where's the hole?

After much readjustin and modifying, here's the HOLE~

gap3.jpg

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:makiah)

Interesting trick for holes. Use a boundary blend and select a vertex as the 1st feature, and the entire edge as the second feature. This draws all the edges to a single point.

Ok, this is new.

So I tried selecting a point (tried at multiple location) and the edge for boundary blend feature. The following image are the result.

gap_bb1.jpg

Not the profile I wanted.

gap_bb2.jpg

Close to what I need, but the warping at the point is really bugging.. Any way to make it a smooth surface?

gap_bb3.jpg

Tested for multiple points. Nope, not the output needed..

dschenken
21-Topaz I
(To:makiah)

If a vertex is selected like that it will pinch as it's a singularlity. It may smooth out using tangency references. Worst case, copy the curve twice and trim them so they form two halves, then blend between them.

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:makiah)

Well, I did say it was a trick; not necessarily a solution.

However, by the same token, you can place a datum point in the middle of the hole and do the same thing.

Add tangency at the edges of the bounding surface and put a pin in it.

The point can be located by drawing a datum curve between two opposite vertices. Then place a point at 0.5 ratio along the curve. If you don't like the 1st result, you can tweak the points location or the shape of the datum curve, which also can be managed with tangency.

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Hey thanks... Finally I manage to fill the gaps using the combination of all your suggestions! Great!

Danke schon!

dschenken
21-Topaz I
(To:makiah)

This might be of interest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHp7k9oKE8

dicom - slicer - creo.

http://www.slicer.org/

Love this..I wish we had some Dicom image in our laboratory.. At the time being, we just have to make do with the CT-slice images.

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire I
(To:makiah)

On that one, try using an n-sided surf.

dschenken
21-Topaz I
(To:makiah)

I meant in the picture you had of the disks and vertebrae. It looked like the nucleous pulposus is indistinct. A vertebral disk is an interesting composite structure with the oriented fibers of the annulus containing the internal pressure of the nucleous.

The model looks interesting. What's the model going to be used for?

Haha! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Yeah, it is an interesting and tricky structure. It is actually for some disc degeneration study my professor asked us to explore. We couldn't trace out the anulus fibrosus and the nucleus pulposus region from the CT scan image. So, we segmented the external profiles, and constructed the distinction of the outer + inner AF with NP with Creo to generate the region that we needed to allow us to assign the material properties for respective region.

Hope I am going at the right direction~

ivd_layer.jpg

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire I
(To:makiah)

Cool! I'm in the medical field myself.

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