[solutions] - Are you using a datamanager other than PTC for Pro/E?
Andrew, I have to agree with you, 3.X did provide a more complete solution in that way.
Steve, to answer your question 'What are the benefits....?' IMHO, the 3.X workspace gives the same revision AND ITERATION control for ANY object the administrator decides. With 8.X and 9.X, Word and Excel documents are downloaded to whichever directory the user decides ... exactly how much control do we have over the document at that point? None, any file can be checked in.
I don't think it's just a 'training issue' ... where I work we faced the same problem as Andrew. We simply had to move to 8.0, so we had no choice but to re-train the users. Does it work? Yes. Are we better off now? I don't think so, we have lost some control.
With Windchill I think it goes deeper than workspaces though, as some recent posts have been discussing, Documents and Pro/E objects must be promoted separately.
I'm not sure we can do anything about it, other than raise enhancement requests.
2009/12/16 Stephen Drzewiczewski <->
> While it might work, is it worth it? What benefits are you getting by > doing “Document Management” in a Workspace, that you can’t live without? > > > > To me, the main purpose of the Workspace in Intralink 3.x or one of the > Windchill products is to provide a “single level directory” like structure > to retrieve all of the necessary files that Pro/E (or any other CAD > application) would need to be able to open and regenerate the files. Back > in the days when you worked on a shared network drive, or locally you had to > setup Search Paths to make sure all the files could be retrieved. When the > Intralink came out, the Workspace solved this issue, the files were all > placed in the same “folder”. (I can’t remember if Pro/PDM worked the same > way, only played with it a couple of times) > > > > Sure you could do other stuff in Ilink 3.x from a workspace, such as launch > a file and edit it, but is this truly necessary? To me it’s giant overkill. > Will you need to retrain some of your users? Absolutely, even if you could > do Document Management operations from a Workspace you still need to retool > your users because no matter how pretty a picture is painted 9.x is not 3.x. > The sooner that lesson is accepted and acknowledge the sooner you can start > getting the benefits from 9.x > > > > If Pro/E is your main CAD application, I don’t think a 3rd party data > management solution will meet your needs. If your models are fairly > simplistic, don’t use Family Tables, or use other advanced Pro/E > dependencies then maybe you could get away with a 3rd party package. You > may have some luck with ProductPoint, haven’t used it myself and it is a > fairly new product. I don’t think you’ll have a Universal Workspace in that > tool either. > > > > Maybe after hearing what else you are missing I would agree with you, but > from my perspective, it’s more of a training issue and changing the clicks > people used to perform to match how the tool is designed vs. trying to fight > it. > > > > Steve D. > > > > > > *From:* Al X. Anderson [> -" <-> > > cc > > Subject > > [solutions] - Are you using a datamanager other than PTC for Pro/E? > > > > Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 01/14/2010 > > > > > First my apologies for cross posting, but I am trying to reach a larger > audience > > What are the options for managing Pro/E data today? > Windchill PDMLink > Windchill Pro/INTRALINK > ProductPoint > Seimens PLM > Oracle/Agile PLM > (Subversion)?? > (git?) > Enovia > Home grown software?? > Open source workflow/content management software? > > Given our first and foremost requirement is to maintain business continuity > and replace Pro/INTRALINK 3.4: > > We need a universal “workspace” where it understands the file types, but > does not discriminate against the file types, i.e by not forcing users to > manage the documents life cycles thru more than one tool set. I call this > concept a “universal” workspace, which in fact what was implemented so > beautifully in Pro/INTRALINK 3.4. All objects defined in the administrative > console were managed using one tool set only. > > Why would it be so difficult for PTC to allow users to manage MSOffice > documents in the Pro/E workspace. The actions would be all the same, “Add to > Workspace” Check out Check in, Modified status. > > As it is we have hit a MAJOR roadblock in our Windchill implementation, as > we have already trained our users to adopt the excellent version control in > 3.4 for all our primary business documents (word excel, autocad, pro/e etc). > We have identified that Windchills inability to manage all primary business > documents in a workspace, is very detrimental to the ability of teammates to > collaborate using the same LifeCycle management processes. > > So I have to ask, is there a better solution out there? > > Best Regards for the Holidays, > > Andrew Amsden > CAD\PDM Administrator > Midmark Corporation > 937-526-8770 > > > > > > > * ________________________________ * > ***** NOTICE ***** > If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are notified that > disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action in reliance on the > contents of this email and any files transmitted with it is strictly > prohibited. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify > - or 1-800-MIDMARK (1-800-643-6275). This thread is inactive and closed by the PTC Community Management Team. If you would like to provide a reply and re-open this thread, please notify the moderator and reference the thread. You may also use "Start a topic" button to ask a new question. Please be sure to include what version of the PTC product you are using so another community member knowledgeable about your version may be able to assist.