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absurd requests (was Improving performance in Epic 5.1)

ebenton
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absurd requests (was Improving performance in Epic 5.1)

You know, if anyone is interested, it would be interesting to start a
thread for "absurd requests". Adepters could post some of their more
memorable absurd requests from users. After all, its Friday.
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lhales
1-Newbie
(To:ebenton)


Ed,



I don't know if we could stomach some
of them. I know we are a hardy breed, but there are limits to our
endurance.




So why don't you start? My exploits
with users has been limited the past few years and any thing I have goes
back to Adept 5.4.1 or Adept 7 (releases since then include Adept 8, Adept
9/Epic 3, Epic 4.X and Epic 5.X. For those who don't remember, the
first Windoze version of Adept was 5.4. There was no Adept 6 for
Windoze because it was a Unix only release).




Lynn

You
know, I'll have to think on that a little. I'm good at making fun of other
people's problems, but we actually don't have very many stupid requests from
users. Our users went from an older, Xerox typesetting markup system to
SGML. They were never accustomed to WYISYG and have always waited for
output to see what their documents look like. However, I have heard some
stories from Adepters and others in environments where authors have gone from
WYSIWYG to markup. Those situations usually engender some good stories
about user requests. Frequently there are requests with the basic idea of
making Epic be exactly like Microsoft Word.

If I
think of any good ones, I'll post.




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lhales
1-Newbie
(To:ebenton)


Ed,



That will be difficult to beat. Why
would anyone in their right mind want their output to look like Macro$scarf
Word? Now that is absurd. Oh but wait, what's that I see, an Application
Toolbar? Where's my "dlg_item_withdraw"??



Lynn


Hi everybody,



has any of you used the find function in ACL (like find -e /[A-Z]) ?



Basically I want to search a document from the start to the end for a regular expression. But find doesn't finish at the end of the document, it creates an infinite loop. Now the questions is there a easy way to find that out? Or maybe another function to use?



Regards,



Sascha

The "-nowrap" optionwould prevent the infinite
loop.





From: Sascha Punzmann

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
8:50 AM
To: adepters@arbortext.com
Subject: RE: absurd
requests (was Improving performance in Epic 5.1)



Hi everybody,

face=sans-serif size=2>has any of you used the find function in ACL (like find
-e /[A-Z]) ?


Basically I want to
search a document from the start to the end for a regular expression. But find
doesn't finish at the end of the document, it creates an infinite loop. Now the
questions is there a easy way to find that out? Or maybe another function to
use?


Regards,

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face="Comic Sans MS" color=#800000 size=2>I've had that one too! In fact
we even went as far as to convince our users that Epic "was like Word".
That led to numerous complaints that Epic "doesn't do it like in
Word".





From: Benton, Ed L

Sent: 10 February 2006 13:03
To:
adepters@arbortext.com
Subject: RE: absurd requests (was Improving
performance in Epic 5.1)



You
know, I'll have to think on that a little. I'm good at making fun of other
people's problems, but we actually don't have very many stupid requests from
users. Our users went from an older, Xerox typesetting markup system to
SGML. They were never accustomed to WYISYG and have always waited for
output to see what their documents look like. However, I have heard some
stories from Adepters and others in environments where authors have gone from
WYSIWYG to markup. Those situations usually engender some good stories
about user requests. Frequently there are requests with the basic idea of
making Epic be exactly like Microsoft Word.

If I
think of any good ones, I'll post.




<br /><br />That’s an absurd request.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />From: Sascha Punzmann<br /> <br /><br />Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006<br />8:50 AM<br /><br />To: adepters@arbortext.com<br /><br />Subject: RE: absurd requests (was<br />Improving performance in Epic 5.1)<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Hi everybody, <br /><br /><br /><br />has<br />any of you used the find function in ACL (like find -e /[A-Z]) ? <br /><br /><br /><br />Basically<br />I want to search a document from the start to the end for a regular expression.<br />But find doesn't finish at the end of the document, it creates an infinite<br />loop. Now the questions is there a easy way to find that out? Or maybe another<br />function to use? <br /><br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Sascha<br />&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe from the list, send an email to<br />listmanager@maillist.arbortext.com with the following in the body: unsubscribe<br />adepters - For additional information on the adepters list (how to subscribe or<br />unsubscribe etc), send an email to: listmanager@maillist.arbortext.com with the<br />following in the body: info Adepters - You may also go to forums.arbortext.com,<br />enter the Adepters folder and change your subscription options and<br />preferences.&gt;&gt; <br /><br /><br /><br />

<br /><br />Am I stupid or too french<br />to think this request is not stupid?<br /><br /><br /><br />If you don’t use -nows<br />in the find command, Epic will certainly always find a letter (except with an<br />empty document !).<br /><br /><br /><br />May be it is in fact an<br />absurd request ! (not precise enough ?)<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />&lt;font&lt;br/&gt; size=2 color=navy face=Arial&gt;Yves DENIARD<br /><br /><br /><br />Direction des programmes&lt;font&lt;br/&gt;color=navy&gt;<br /><br /><br /><br />MBDA France&lt;span&lt;br/&gt;style='color:navy'&gt;<br /><br /><br /><br />20-22 rue Grange Dame Rose&lt;font&lt;br/&gt;color=navy&gt;<br /><br /><br /><br />78141 Vélizy-Villacoublay CEDEX&lt;font&lt;br/&gt;color=navy&gt;<br /><br /><br /><br />tél. : 01.34.88.16.53&lt;font&lt;br/&gt;color=navy&gt;<br /><br /><br /><br />mail : &lt;a&lt;br/&gt;href="mailto:yves.deniard@mbda.fr"&gt;yves.deniard@mbda.fr<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br />De: sascha punzmann<br /> <br /><br />Envoyé: vendredi 10 février<br />2006 14:50<br /><br />À: adepters@arbortext.com<br /><br />Objet: RE: absurd requests<br />(was Improving performance in Epic 5.1)<br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Hi everybody, <br /><br /><br /><br />has<br />any of you used the find function in ACL (like find -e /[A-Z]) ? <br /><br /><br /><br />Basically<br />I want to search a document from the start to the end for a regular expression.<br />But find doesn't finish at the end of the document, it creates an infinite<br />loop. Now the questions is there a easy way to find that out? Or maybe another<br />function to use? <br /><br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Sascha<br />&gt;&gt; To unsubscribe from the list, send an email to<br />listmanager@maillist.arbortext.com with the following in the body: unsubscribe<br />adepters - For additional information on the adepters list (how to subscribe or<br />unsubscribe etc), send an email to: listmanager@maillist.arbortext.com with the<br />following in the body: info Adepters - You may also go to forums.arbortext.com,<br />enter the Adepters folder and change your subscription options and<br />preferences.&gt;&gt; <br /><br /><br /><br />



I would have to pre-qualify an "absurd
request" to respond properly.







If you're talking about "I
want the Amazing Kreskin plugin, so the application will do what I meant for it
to do, instead of what I told it to do" requests, I don't get so
many of those anymore.







If you're talking about "we
need the application to do something special, but I couldn't possibly
define the exact requirements for the special thing we need it to do",
then yeah, I get absurd requests pretty frequently.







I almost wish I could get more absurd
requests. Some users will take it upon themselves to do whatever they want
instead of actually asking for something that can be relatively easy to
accommodate, and then just pass it off, and it won't get caught until it
hoses a downstream process.







My personal favorite: When we rolled
out E3, I was asked to create a custom feature that would take all the
documents in a chapter, write a temp file that called them all in as entities,
and then submit that document to E3. Simple enough. I rolled the
tool out for testing, included a disclaimer that the tool was "BETA",
and told them to ask for any adjustments, enhancements, ect. I asked them
to NOT fudge filenames or place documents in the wrong directories to "trick
the tool". Fast forward 6 months, one of our production folks is
running processing for an incremental revision, and finds an unused chapter
directory full of revised documents that are not in this particular chapter.







You guessed it. Someone who wanted
to print multiple documents from different chapters all at once just took all
those documents and dumped them into one chapter directory to run the chapter
print function, a chapter that wasn't even applicable for this particular
book. And however long they had been doing this, they had forgot to
delete them this time. So not only did we spend time reprocessing because
of files that were out of place, we had to go back to the author to ensure that
we didn't overwrite the latest and greatest changes by moving all those
files back to the appropriate directories.







I wonder if there isn't an end-user
mailing list where they have threads about "absurd requests", like "I
was expected to follow directions. Every Time!!"







Thanks for the rant…







-Unreasonable
















From:Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
8:24 AM

To: adepters@arbortext.com

Subject: RE: absurd requests (was
Improving performance in Epic 5.1)











<font<br/>size=2 color=navy face=Arial>That's an absurd request.



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<font<br/>size=2 face=Tahoma>From: Sascha Punzmann

Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006
8:50 AM

To: adepters@arbortext.com

Subject: RE: absurd requests (was
Improving performance in Epic 5.1)





<font<br/>size=3 face="Times New Roman">Hi everybody,



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lhales
1-Newbie
(To:ebenton)


Yves,



No, you are not stupid, I cannot say
anything about the "too French". Are you? Between Ed and
I we have no mercy and are equal opportunity harassers..




What is absurd is trying to figure out
(or in my case REMEMBER) if you are using the 'find' command (help
9011) or the 'find()' function (help 1567).




While American 'humor' isn't as dry
as "English" humor (Jerry Jeff Walker was right "Ill substantiate
the rumor that the English sense of humor is drier than the Texas sand."),
we more than make up for it with our sarcastic wit.



Sascha had a valid question in a silly
thread, but it got answered.



Lynn
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