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Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

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Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

HI,

Has anyone found a way to get Creo Simulate fasteners to work with Through and Blind Holes that have Draft applied to them or do we need to request an enhancement?

Appreciate any tips you have with dealing with this issue. I'm currently forced to either work around this problem by using solid models of the fasteners with preload or beam elements.

Thanks for any insight you can give me on this,

Don Anderson

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Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Don,

Holes have to be cylindrical or Simulate doesn't like it. One has to remove the draft.

It could pick the smallest diameter as it currently does. We always manually change the fastener diameter after anyway. Simple fasteners' separation spring stiffness calculation would be slightly different as the frustum cone would have an inner conical hole rather than cylindrical one. If contact is used then the structural stiffness is not estimated.

Not sure what you are doing with surface regions and possibly got the wrong end of the stick here - To stop the screw in the blind hole short of part 3 - put a small, structurally insignificant step to a smaller diameter near the bottom where your screw stops and choose this as your end reference.

Is the ground spring anti-rotation?

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Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Hi Steven,

Sorry, I should have posted a image of the issue.

I have also tried using surface regions to stop the fastener short of hitting part 3.  Would like to use a plain Creo Fastener.

The fasteners related to the holes in part 1 which have draft are not being evaluated during the simulation run.

Thanks for looking at this,

Don

Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Don,

Holes have to be cylindrical or Simulate doesn't like it. One has to remove the draft.

It could pick the smallest diameter as it currently does. We always manually change the fastener diameter after anyway. Simple fasteners' separation spring stiffness calculation would be slightly different as the frustum cone would have an inner conical hole rather than cylindrical one. If contact is used then the structural stiffness is not estimated.

Not sure what you are doing with surface regions and possibly got the wrong end of the stick here - To stop the screw in the blind hole short of part 3 - put a small, structurally insignificant step to a smaller diameter near the bottom where your screw stops and choose this as your end reference.

Is the ground spring anti-rotation?

Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

forgot the picture ... small step

Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Hi Charles,

Thanks for confirming that Simulate fastener features do not work with drafted holes. That was kind of what I had determined with the testing I have done so far.

Yes, the ground springs are for anti-rotation of the parts that have contacts fully defined.

When I was trying the simulation with just simple Creo Simulate Fastener feature I had no contact regions defined between the parts. I let the Simulate fastener feature control the separation of the parts.

Unfortunately I'm not able to simplify the model for the testing I'm going now do to the current structure geometry.

The second image above shows what I'm currently using for my joint setup where I have fully modeled the joint with solids and have fully added contacts, preload, etc.

I was hoping to start out with simple Simulate fasteners to shake out the model setup before adding all of the additional solid models and contacts.

Thanks

Don Anderosn

Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Don,

Minor point re ground spring ,,, it may be better to link adjacent parts with point to point springs back to a constrained part rather than parts to ground. 2 reasons

- I know the ground spring is 'lightweight' but rigid body motions are greater then relative movement of parts. Large relative movements of contacting surfaces make a slower contact solution

- Another external load is being introduced that does not exist

Re: Issues with Using Creo Simulate Fasteners with Through and Blind Holes?

Hi Charles,

Good points on the ground springs.  Thank you very much for the insight!

Don