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Creo 4 needs this detailing change

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May 6, 2016
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We design and manufacture molds and die assemblies with lots of holes. We use an ordinate scheme to dimension these holes. unfortunately we have holes close to other holes and the leaders don't automatically adjust when they are close so we have to add jogs manually. If we change the hole location the leader needs to be adjusted again. Solid works does it and our seats of Cadkey 97 does it. this would save us gobs of time per year. Who else has this problem?

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Best answer by RaphaelCNascime

I agree that it would be a good enhancement to have the clean dims command include the possibility of automatically adding or adjusting the jogs for ordinate dimensions. We can definitely look at this in the future.

I would suggest creating an Idea so we can keep track of the suggestion and also see how popular such an option would be among the users in the Community.

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AmitDeshpande

18-Opal

Hi Jeff,

Unfortunately, there isn't a way to create automatic jogs for the dimensions, currently. I will email the Product Manager and see if there are any plans to add this functionality into Creo Parametric 4.0.

I'll reply back here once I hear back with some additional information.

Thanks,

Amit

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jwaffensmith

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Thanks Amit, It seems like it would fit nicely in the "cleanup dimension" function. If they couldn't just get it to do it automatically like in my cadkey from 1992.

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mender

12-Amethyst

While clean dims doesn't attempt this, I believe we do make jogs under automatic ordinate dimensioning (for sheetmetal and for mold). It's been a while since I've looked at it. You may want to consider if it would fit your needs.

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jwaffensmith

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Correct Auto Ordinate will give you jogs. Unfortunately when you use the tool it dimensions every possible dimension point and gives you nice clean jogs. Its the every possible dimension point that is the issue. you can delete the ones you don't need but that takes more time than putting the jogs in. I was able to do this in 1995 in CADKEY it shouldn't be a hard thing to fix.

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STEVEG

21-Topaz I

This should be a no-brainer. If CADKEY can do it in the early to mid '90's then why can't Creo do it almost 1/4 of a century later?

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jnelson

14-Alexandrite

Careful what you wish for.

As someone else responded, there is this functionality/capability in Sheetmetal, however, (in my opinion) this capability requires much more time cleaning up the results then it is worth…

The attached picture is something I created quickly in CREO 3 to show an example.

This is a relatively small part with a small amount of holes, but you can see from this example how the default behavior is.

Now, imagine a much larger part with a lot more holes and/or other cut features.

ordinate dims.PNG

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jwaffensmith

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Right since it dimensions everything possible you get a real mess. Then once you shift some holes around everything is all messed up again. If you try and use the clean up dimension tool it doesn't do a thing to clean up an ordinate with messed up jogs.. you have to do it all manually or delete and start over. Horrible.

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jwaffensmith

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I just did a trial in Solidworks and they have a re-jog command that reshuffles the ordinate after another dimension is added or if the design is altered. This reinforces my thinking that any clean up tool belongs in the "cleanup dimension" tool. if I remember correct Cadkey had a similar tool back in 1997

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dschenken

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Have you looked at hole tables?

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jwaffensmith

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no I have not would that provide a coordinate location and description?

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dschenken

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Yes. They are right under the Table menu and are based on whatever coordinate system you select as the origin of the dims in the table. This is what is used for putting the hundreds to thousands of holes in circuit boards. No one (sane) makes jogged dims for manufacture of circuit boards.

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STEVEG

21-Topaz I

I did a quick search but didn't see anyone put in a product idea. That should be added to be voted on.

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RaphaelCNascime

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I agree that it would be a good enhancement to have the clean dims command include the possibility of automatically adding or adjusting the jogs for ordinate dimensions. We can definitely look at this in the future.

I would suggest creating an Idea so we can keep track of the suggestion and also see how popular such an option would be among the users in the Community.