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how to unfold the pipe

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how to unfold the pipe

i have tried to unfold the pipe using rip with sketch but its not working it always shows a failure msg. can anyone suggest a way

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Sagar,

You need to use correct orientation of part in view to get correct value.

You can create new view in part or in drawing change the orientaion of view using Geometry references in View properties.

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Tubes are tricky in sheetmetal. There are any number of reasons it doesn't want to unfold.

If you can attach the file a post, we can probably help with more specific answers.

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sir i have unfolded the tube but now what problem i am facing is in the sheetmetal the opened tubed width is 80.225 mm but when i take it to drawing its width becomes 79.1 its creating a problem in wrapping this profile around the pipe for notching. sheetmetalmeasure.jpgsheetmetal+drawing.jpg

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It appears that the y-factor is being applied twice.

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sir actulal circumference of the tube should be (pi*26.9) that is 84.4mm but how it has been reduced. is there a way to get the desired circumference

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https://www.dropbox.com/s/a9186jgewpo3rwf/sheet1.prt.1

sir this is the link to the unfolded pipe .prt file

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I will look at the model. The difference between the model unfold and the drawing unfold is troubling.

Sheetmetal does not use the outer circumference for calculations. Sheetmetal uses either a K-factor or Y-factor in order to account for stretch and crush of the metal when it is formed. It is a balance between the inside radius and the outside radius. This is more prominent for sharp bends and you can set the value for items such as tubes which use more gentle radii than bends.

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sir thanks for looking into the issue but is there a way i can get the outer circumference of the tube as 84.4mm.

i have tried increasing the y-factor but i dont have an idea in what proportion its increasing.

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Try both 0 and 1. I think 0 maintains the ID circumference and 1 maintains the OD circumference.

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with 1 i am getting 82.225mm instead of 84.4mm and with 0 its 78.22mm .

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I am sorry but your model file is an educational version. I cannot open these files.

I will try some experiments with my version to see what the values return.

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Sagar,

As Antonius mentioned, you can get the desired results by changing the K & Y factor. In your part file you need to set K-Factor as 1, this will give you the required diemnsion 84.51 (pi*26.9).

Yes, by default K-factor is grayed out to change the value and to enable that you need to set Sheetmetal parameter SMT_UPDATE_BEND_ALLOW_INFO as no.

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Thanks for weighing in, Mahesh.

I confirmed this in a simple model.

I typically prefer K-Factor. I don't know what Y-factor does at the limits.

K-Value_neutral_at_1_on_OD.PNG

K-Value_neutral_at_1_on_OD_model.PNG

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sir is this a new method i am not able to get what you were trying to explain here

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i have tried the procedure you have described but the dimension its giving is 80.225mm

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Ok, try below steps:

1. Open that part, File Prepare > Model Properties > Change the parameters > change the value of SMT_UPDATE_BEND_ALLOW_INFO as no > Ok

2. Nowith in same Model Properties Change Bend Allowance > Select K Factor > Enter value as 1 > Regenerate > Close

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mahesh sir i have tried that out its not working

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Will you explain where you are getting incorrect value, in drawing or in part?

If in drawing, which orientation you are using for view?

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mahesh sir i am getting wrong value in sheet metal itself

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Check attached video.

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Very nice to know. Thank you Mahesh.

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Maybe Mahesh can open the education model you provided and have a look at what may be wrong.

Are you using Creo 2.0?

The method I used to make the pipe is a first feature as a Revolve.

This is where the K-Value is set.

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sir pipes which i am trying to unfold are chassis pipes that are already made in AFX extension i have converted then into sheet metal by shell command and then i have done sketch rip and then unbend it.

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Antonius,

The part file uploaded by Sagar is a converted sheetmetal part. Initially part was created using extrude and later on converted to sheetmetal. I will upload a movie file for step by step, hopefully that will help Sagar.

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mahesh sir that would be really helpfull

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sir with the help of video i was able to get the circumference as 84.255 thanks for your support but when i am taking the sheet in drawing the tube stays attached to it . i only want the sheet.tubewithsm.jpg

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Sagar,

Tube is surface geometry, to hide that in drawing:

1. In Drawing, File > Prepare > Drawing properties > Change Drawing options

2. Set drawing option ignore_model_layer_status as no > Add/Change > Apply > Close

3. review > Update Sheets.

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thankyou sir tube has gone but still the dimension in drawing are not rightpipe73mm.jpg

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Sagar,

You need to use correct orientation of part in view to get correct value.

You can create new view in part or in drawing change the orientaion of view using Geometry references in View properties.

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