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Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?

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Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?

Hello,

I have a question about matching the part coordinate system to an assembly
coordinate system (see similar SolidWorks question below). I know how to do
this in SolidWorks, but I need to find an easy solution to implement into
Pro-E.

I need to create a secondary CSYS (not at origin but offset) in either a
part or a sub-assembly to constrain it to the origin of the master assembly
CSYS. This is for the purpose of switching out parts easily as needed. The
master assembly is a STEP file imported into Pro-E as some components are
native Pro-E, SolidWorks, Catia, NX, etc. As I am just a contractor on this
project, I cannot recommend this client company use one CAD system over
another at the moment, it is not my decision to make so please no comments
about standardizing to a common CAD system. Also, I do not know if they have
Pro-E AAX module (copy geometry, etc.) so let's assume this is just a basic
version of Pro-E WF4.0 and if not then I could possibly try using the
Advanced Assembly Extension (AAX) module tools if needed.

I tried using the Offset CSys Datum Point tool (x, y, & z direction) or the
Sketched Datum Points tool, then attaching a new CSYS using the DTM CSYS
tool. This seemed to work on non-rotated parts & sub-assembly components,
but was somewhat cumbersome to use. For a component that needs to be rotated
when inserted, and I did not see an option to rotate the CYS in the
sub-assembly without creating additional DTM planes (rotated) for reference,
which created a more features than necessary.

If you have a simple procedure on how to do this, let me know. I hope my
explanation of the problem was clear. I am still getting use to using Pro-E
WF4.0 after spending the last several months on SolidWorks.

Regards,

Chris Thompson, CSWP
Appian Way Technologies LLC
Powell, Ohio 43065
www.appianwaytech.com
(614) 595-3751


May 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Matching Part Coordinate System to Assembly Coordinate System
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I'm a newb to SW and am having some difficulty using a global coordinate
system for my assembly. I've created a Coordinate System in my main
assembly based on the assembly origin. Now I want to create a new
coordinate system in a part file that matches the assembly coordinate system
based on the part location in the assembly. The main goal here is in the
future be able to bring this part into a new assembly and mate its
coordinate system to the origin and it be placed exactly where it is now.
How do I do this? I'm coming from using SolidEdge and they way I would do
it in SE is to create a new CS, click the CS I wanted to be the origin and
boom, it copied it. SW doesn't work that way. I can place the new CS in
the part file but the Z and Y axis are the wrong direction and I have no
geometry to use for reference to change the axis orientation.


Re: Matching Part Coordinate System to Assembly Coordinate System

I haven't played much with created coordinate systems, But I believe you
need to do is to edit the part in the context of the assembly. Have the
assembly open, right click on the part, and select edit part. All of the
rest of the assembly will be transparent, but will be selectable for
defining the features of the part.

This will make an external reference to the assembly file, which is
something to be careful about - especially with parts that will be used in
other assemblies, as a change in the first assembly can affect other
assemblies that use the part.


Re: Matching Part Coordinate System to Assembly Coordinate System

I am not sure quite what you are doing, but you may be making this harder
than it needs to be. If you make the part origin the same as the assembly
origin, when you go to insert the part, just click on the green checkmark in
the confirmation corner and the part will be 'fixed' in the assembly, with
origins and planes coincident but no mates overhead. Also, you can drag the
part out of Windows explorer and drop it on the assembly origin and get the
same effect. If that isn't feasible and you need an in context coordinate
system, I would try putting in a plane in the part file coincident with the
assembly origin, sketch two lines on this plane to define your x and y axes,
and attach a coordinate system to the sketch lines. Then you can mate the
coordinate system to the origin, and this gives you the option to align axes
as well.




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RE: Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?



In Reply to Christopher Thompson:



Chris,


I feel your pain. I'm a contractor as well and have to work within the constraints of whatever company I'm with at the time. Having the master assembly as a Step file would bea royal pain, but you probably can't do much about that.


When you create a CSYS, you have the ability to both offset and rotate it at the same time. In WF4 when you create the csys, the dialog box that comes up has 3 tabs on it, one for offset (called origin), one for rotation (called orientation), and one for properties. When you use the rotation things get even more cumbersome than with just offset. These angles are relative to yourOLD csys, not the new one, even though it shows the angles on the new csys location. It's kinda confusing.


Good luck.


--

Jeff Sampson Engineering



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Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?

Chris,

In your assembly, do an Analysis > Measure > Transform, measuring from your
part csys to the assy one. Open the INFO window, save this file (rename if
you want). In your part, create a csys offset from your part's csys FROM
FILE, pick the info file you just saved. Done.





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Kelowna, BC, Canada

250-763-6633

250-212-9339 cell






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AW: Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?

Hello all,



this is what we do. Constrain the part with typical aligning to
surfaces, holes etc.. In Part mode create a CSYS referencing the assy
CSYS, don't press OK, just

switch the reference from the assy CSYS to the standard part CSYS => You
can see all the correct values now for x, y, z and the rotating angels.
Now you can redefine

the placement of the part and use the new CSYS. You don't have to type
in any values and get typos.



with kind regards



Uwe Armbruster




Part or sub-assy CSYS match master assembly CSYS?

This is easy done in this way in WF4:

Activate the part in assembly mode.
Start creating a new CSYS
Select the Assembly CSYS as reference and then select a local part CSYS.
The needed translation/rotation are now filled into the dialog
automagically and the new CSYS has no external references.
Select OK and you are done.

/Bjarne



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Hello,
I have a question about matching the part coordinate system to an assembly
coordinate system (see similar SolidWorks question below). I know how to
do this in SolidWorks, but I need to find an easy solution to implement
into Pro-E.
I need to create a secondary CSYS (not at origin but offset) in either a
part or a sub-assembly to constrain it to the origin of the master
assembly CSYS. This is for the purpose of switching out parts easily as
needed. The master assembly is a STEP file imported into Pro-E as some
components are native Pro-E, SolidWorks, Catia, NX, etc. As I am just a
contractor on this project, I cannot recommend this client company use one
CAD system over another at the moment, it is not my decision to make so
please no comments about standardizing to a common CAD system. Also, I do
not know if they have Pro-E AAX module (copy geometry, etc.) so let’s
assume this is just a basic version of Pro-E WF4.0 and if not then I could
possibly try using the Advanced Assembly Extension (AAX) module tools if
needed.
I tried using the Offset CSys Datum Point tool (x, y, & z direction) or
the Sketched Datum Points tool, then attaching a new CSYS using the DTM
CSYS tool. This seemed to work on non-rotated parts & sub-assembly
components, but was somewhat cumbersome to use. For a component that needs
to be rotated when inserted, and I did not see an option to rotate the CYS
in the sub-assembly without creating additional DTM planes (rotated) for
reference, which created a more features than necessary.
If you have a simple procedure on how to do this, let me know. I hope my
explanation of the problem was clear. I am still getting use to using
Pro-E WF4.0 after spending the last several months on SolidWorks.
Regards,
Chris Thompson, CSWP
Appian Way Technologies LLC
Powell, Ohio 43065
www.appianwaytech.com
(614) 595-3751
May 12, 2011 12:01 PM
Matching Part Coordinate System to Assembly Coordinate System (