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MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

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Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

Reading is not easy.

From your own link:

"Tyco Electronics, ... , has selected SpaceClaim Engineer for concept modeling, bid modeling, and model preparation for CAE simulation." i.e. they only do limited things with this tool.

and:

"...Blake continues to insist that SpaceClaim is a complimentary product to existing CAD applications and not a replacement" Q.e.d.

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that is an old link

....for concept modelling..its a wonderful tool and offcourse for geometry prep....for working with stl data...

yes its so easy it feels like a "toy"...spaceclaim has come a long way..it was choosen over cocreate at TYCO....

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I'm not convinced that it's Creo_Pro-E that is to blame for your difficulty with this. Different CAD systems have different capabilities, methodologies as well as strengths and weaknesses. I think the real issue is that your methods were developed using whatever CAD system you've been using and probably learned on. The approach taken with one CAD system isn't necessarily appropriate for another one. Sure, your basic extrudes and revolves are the same...... You could reverse the entire situation and give someone who knows Creo and tell him to do the same thing with another CAD system and he'll have difficulties as well.

This is very similar reasoning as a lot of new people use, they want to try to force the CAD system to do what they think it should do rather than realizing that you have to learn how to learn and leverage what it does do. More often than not, the people who have been creating these programs know a whole lot more about it than a newby does, no matter how smart the believe they are. The biggest problem I've seen is people who think remembering the training course material is all there is to learning to utilize a CAD system, it really is just a starting point and nothing more.

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Because this 'forum' is so poorly laid out, I'm gonna clarify some stuff here. (One cannot tell who reply's to what easily in here because there is no quoting... i.e. go visit a real forum or bbs, see how that works)

First, well said Daniel, trying to bring up other CAD packages in this thread is just pointless. If you learned how to do it one way in solid edge, and can't figure it out in something else, this is not remotely the subject here. This release has 99 problems and solid edge guy isn't one of em.

Secondly, is anyone from PTC in here? I'm sick of beating the horse on this, things never get fixed, nobody reply's to SOS calls, the impression is PTC does not give a rat's because I'm not Caterpiller. Creo keeps getting worse, and its not the dumb new name or the stupid ribbon, its harder and harder to use. Where are the commands hidden... why are they hidden... why do more clicks come from a quest to make less clicks... hello????

Third I am on Creo 3.0 because I spent my money to buy my massive alottment of one seat. My complaints are completely valid because I run this crap daily, and I am unheard because my support contract only lets me call India. For the record, I got some killer help from a guy in India which not only was a refreshing change, but an anomoly to the PTC way of doing business I'm sure.

FYI in the Creo launch video, I was promised a bunch of stuff I have been promised before, and it didn't happen again. This ribbon sucks, the simple removal of a modify command is dumb, and converting a pick that used to be on screen, to a carpel tunnel combo of hunt, left click, right click is backwards progress. Literally, its retarded, why don't you unlock my cage?

Can someone from PTC get in here and let us know you give a rip so we can help improve this package before it dies. You know your are losing marketshare, public perception of you is in the tank, you have one of the most powerful modelers on your hands, yet your mission is to make this software harder and harder to use. What gives here? Seriously, enlist us, we are trying to help you, the other guys are kicking your ass... wake up... get a clue... your users are dying a poor death here, give a rip would you??

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GARY DYAL wrote:

Because this 'forum' is so poorly laid out, I'm gonna clarify some stuff here. (One cannot tell who reply's to what easily in here because there is no quoting... i.e. go visit a real forum or bbs, see how that works)

There is quoting - it's just not included by default and thus few people use it.


However, the branching thread format does my head in...

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it may be ground breaking, but my interaction with people using solid edge hear in India is they..still use the "history" approach....

yes since "creo" PTC has made some mistakes..user interface etc......but proe is still very powerful and logical software....

Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

I believe that free modeling was pursued to satisfy engineers who didn't want to make the effort to actually learn how to use parametric modeling, or simply were unable to learn it. Now they can screw up the model by dragging geometry around without going to a proficient CAD Designer.

I can only imagine the difficulties it will cause when someone has to do some serious model changes.

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Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

Find something that needs some of your serious model changes. Get yourself to a Solid Edge demo day. Let them show you how the package deals with the difficulty, that you are experiencing. You may be surprised. I went to my day with the attitude that ProE is the best, nothing else will ever come close, I was an hour late, and it convinced me in less than 20minutes! You might just be equally surprised, but you might not be. I see that you say you have had little exposure to the package. Be advised Solid Edge is a totally different mind set.

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You're not going to be much traction for a low end CAD package like Solid Edge versus Creo on a Creo bulletin board.

And yes, I said LOW END. It's like comparing a riding lawn mower to a sports car. Yea, my sports car occasionally steers weird and leaks oil, but it sure blows away the riding lawn mower.

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That's true, it always has allowed the user to create overlapping flat geometry, but that isn't the type of shoddy techniques I was referring to. It's always been the user's responsibility to check the flat to verify the sheet-metal design for that. I'm talking about model techniques for building models, I've seen solidworks tutorials that can't be followed step by step because Pro-E permit some of the modeling techniques that solidworks permits. I remember one where someone modeled something using draft as a major feature, and the draft geometry collapsed in upon itself. While solidworks allowed it, Pro-E wouldn't. Someone who learned on solidworks, would probably expect the techniques he learned while using it, to also work in other cad systems.

I had a little exposure to solid edge, I was not impressed by it, but to be honest it did have some features that were useful and convenient for specific feature/geometry types.

Creo, and others also have the syncronous capabilities you're referring to, simply using other names for it.

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