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MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

Anonymous
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(in response to dveljkovic)

Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

No on screen recording device.

No upload to youtube button.

This would be handy to show the world, the dumb and unhelpful things the tools tend to do, and how inefficient Creo really can be.

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Hi Francis...

Have you tried free software like Jing (http://www.techsmith.com/jing.html) You can use this to grab simple videos from Creo and quickly upload them directly to Screencast.com. You can upload videos to YouTube as well but I think Screencast is sort of "native" to Jing.

I can see your point... but I can't see adding new features to Creo just for the express purpose of making videos to upload to YouTube. I especially don't think PTC would be receptive to adding these new features so you can "show the world the dumb and unhelpful things the tools tend to do, and how inefficient Creo really can be." There's not really any "value added' in that, is there?

You're kind of tipping your hand that you're a user of some other CAD software user trying to learn Creo.

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Anonymous
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(in response to BrianMartin)

Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

No Brian, not trying to learn Creo. I have been using Creo since WF4, about 6 years. in my family tables I use functions such as PTC_CONSTRAINT_SET for example.

I can create family table assemblies that predict basic specifications of our product range, fine tune the sub assemlies, output BOM's to Excel and add to SAP, and have specific overrides for finish, colour and material specification, without the use of Windchill.

To call Solid Edge a "low end package" is showing your naivety. You clearly have not been shown the advanced tools it has actually got.

To call Solid Edge a "low end package" is showing your naivety. You clearly have not been shown the advanced tools it has actually got.

No Brian not trying to learn it. I have been using Creo since WF4, about 6 years. in my family tables I use functions such as PTC_CONSTRAINT_SET for example.

I can create family table assemblies that predict basic specifications of our product range, fine tune the sub assemlies, output BOM's to Excel and add to SAP, and have specific overrides for finish, colour and material specification, without the use of Windchill.

To call Solid Edge a "low end package" is showing your naivety. You clearly have not been shown the advanced tools it has actually got.

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Creo is not ineffcient....you might like Solid Edge...so be it....

I have been using Pro/E for 7 years .....and still learn many new things in Pro/E.....that's the power of Pro/E..

Pro/E brought in parametric...modelling...and then everyone one followed....so the other's were ineffcient.

I am sure you have to learn many more things in Pro/E.....

User interface of Creo...is annoying....i liked it in Pro/E WF4....

ease of use is the best in Solidworks......

Parametric modelling...is the best way for detailed design...

Concept modelling can be done fast with direct modelling...SPACECLAIM...is very good there.

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Anonymous
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(in response to rohit_rajan)

Re: MOST ANNOYING THINGS WITH CREO

You are right, you never stop learning.

I find that the way you do things is always constantly changing due to new discoveries.

Creo is powerful, but, oh so clumsy.

For example randomly floating datum points, due to mis-regeneration within family tables.

Hanging onto fail states when you are trying to fix things.

Loss of model connections, crashing the topolgy structure.

Not updating things to the family table control.

Not clearing the temp files between Excel control back to Family table, them clearing the entire table.

The basic logic of adding any change into the table, I feel that you should be free to just let the table regulate itself and you then should be free to change the detail, as in Solid Edge. If you miss an entry into the family table in Creo, every other instance changes, this can lead to an inefficent workflow, and, if not careful, destruction on a massive scale.

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My recent gripe / slow down, is that when working in Assembly mode ,and you want to select a part (sub assembly) to manipulate, you constantly have to hit "select parent" to get the whole part (sub assembly) as you brought it into Creo. I do wish that, if I brought a part (sub assembly) into an assembly, that that part (sub assembly) is treated as a part, and that it dosen't automatically select that sub-part of the part (sub assembly) I just clicked on to make my selection. I should be able to slect the part (sub assembly) like I would if I picked it out of the model tree..

If I want to select / maipulate the screw in that part (sub assembly), I should then have to select (click on) the screw twice, hold down a button, or 'drill down' on some way.

Also, it would be nice if I need to move the part (sub assembly) in the model tree, that it dosen't easily insert itself into another part (sub assembly). I find it way to easy to move a part or sub assembly into another sub assembly instead of just adding it inbetween parts (sub assemblies).

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Dimesioning really did not get better in 3.0. I am sure PTC will fix it. All & all the program is great. Started in Wildfire 2.0 & it keeps getting better. Keep up the good work PTC.

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I'll correct the thread title first, it should read MOST THINGS WITH CREO ARE ANNOYING

Creo 3.0 M010 user since pro 12 here... Where do I start...

Text edits: the whole text edit thing in drawing mode sucks, get clicky and it crashes

The ribbon: another craptacular piece of forceware, added clicks and reduced ability, great call PTC

F1: if I wanted that hijacked to find a help browser, I would mapkey it, give me back my F1

Quick Access Toolbar: so PTC, put an all encompasing toolbar that's useful, above the stupid ribbons that aren't

QAT 2: its useful until you change modes, then it changes too... huh??

Measure tool: what a flaming disaster, showing the result behind the dialog is so PTC it hurts.. umm beta??

CRTL+Click: worst addition ever, except I don't need it in sketcher to pick two things, so there its rules

Feature Redefine: now right click, find ball and pencil, left click, enjoy cryptic heiroglyphics finding your sketch

Use Edge: seriously how many users lost minutes staring at icons saying "I know its here, but where..."

I know its here but where...: this applies to most the Creo family, thanks for hiding everything, I hate you

My mapkeys: trashed yet again.. but thats ok, most of them don't work because Creo means "hide n seek"

Creo: its just a stupid name, really

That tiny menu always on screen: doesn't this prove ribbon based anything is retarded?

Change window: where is that?

Mapkeys: found after command searching under "commands not in the ribbon" ...no I can't make this stuff up

tab this: new views=layout, create ballons=table, dimensions=annotate, centerlines=sketch.. wow, such fail

All this is off the top of my head, I'm not even going to bother going into the litany of WTF that pro/E 34 now is when you try to navigate part mode, assembly mode, sheet metal or the legacy of old menu's that are hidden away but still running the show. Want proof? put this in your config.pro and get back to me...

mapkey mm #MODIFY;#VALUE;

Go ahead, give that a run and tell me what you get. For those that want to cut to the chase, its your old friend the modify menu. Yep, ditched from icon world and not important enough for a spot in ribbon world, its still there if you just so happen to know how to find it. Well there you go, my gift to all who suffer. Yes you may now modify your models just like yesterday.

Of course I could further bark about radial patterns still not working right. 34 version later and you still cannot reliably make a pattern of cuts using a bolt circle. Amazing isn't it. Almost as amazing as the dance you have to perform to change the color of something, or figure out what layer your item is on. Oh wait, I must be in the wrong filter, more clicks... yes... more clicks.. I must need a smart filter that, is, umm, more smarter!!

Of course it's not all hell, it just feels like it. The 3D pdf thing is a nice add, as is the inclusion of mechanism in the base package. Of course, finding those items is almost as big of a joke as quickly getting to use them. Say, when did backup become a part of the world of save as, does anyone at PTC run your software before you release it? It really doesn't look like it, you seem to have taken one of the worlds most useful CAD tools and are purposely driving it into extinction. SW is kicking your butt and personally I hate it but you know what, when the last 10% of my pro/e career dries up like the first ninety, I'll be searching for a cert in that crapware because like it or not, they are the common format now... mostly thanks to you.

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Wow, what an awesome post Gary, I couldn't have said it better. Sounds like you're an experienced user from the old days. Me, I started on v15 back in about '95. Yes, the menu's were somewhat cumbersome at first, but only because the software did so much more than the AutoCAD I was using. Then you learned them, made mapkeys, and it was all good. I like when they went to the sketcher intent manager, but they could have implemented that better. I don't want the software to guess the constraint, I'LL specify what I want, when I want. It'd cut down on the sketcher "thinking" every time I put a line in a complicated sketch. Or at least give me the option to EFFECTIVELY turn off the "intelligence" on complicated sketches.

Yeah, I hear you. When I was unemployed for a while, I saw a bunch of SW jobs, and either didn't want them, or they wouldn't consider me because I wasn't current in it (I used it for 6 months, hated it). But, if PTC decides to keep p!$$ing away market share like this, and NOT being agressive about getting Pro/E into colleges, then they're done for. I just hope I can ride that out until then.....

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every passing day it is becoming difficult to defend the new versions of pro/e in front of solidworks,inventor users...

the power of pro/e made me a fan of the software....its a great software...some one out there at PTC is hell bent in destroying it.

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