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One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Alexandrite

One catenary problem - continued (again!)

For some reason when I try to post a reply to Fred here: http://communities.ptc.com/message/225402#225402 it seems to wipe out all the other posts in that thread. Hence I’ve started this continuation.

Fred said:

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I agree. It would only be correct if Fx were the tension in the cable, but then some other equations would be wrong (though your equation above still has mismatched units Fred!).

Alan

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Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

I should have added that the "this equation" to which Fred is referring is:

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Alan

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Sorry

g*G

And second!

Where ara the sheet and the Animation

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Valery Ochkov wrote:

Where ara the sheet and the Animation

See attached.

Alan

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Thanks, Alan and Fred!

Len's we begin with a common problem - H.1 not equal H.2, x.0 not equal L/2, etc

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Not tension, only the horizontal component:

Sorry, my image didn't come thru well. alpha is the angle of the tangent to the chain at the weight,

tangent of aplha is equal to the slope (dy/dx) AND the ratio of vertical tension to horizontal tension. If the weight G is shared equally (only at the midpoint) then the math follows.equations.JPG

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

I'll leave the animation to others; but I think this is the full solution.

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Fred Kohlhepp wrote:

I'll leave the animation to others; but I think this is the full solution.

Thanks, Fred!

But see

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Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Really?

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Sorry one more:

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Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Now I know you're joking! 😉

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Great job fellows!

Do we have any novel way to calculate Guess values - or are they just guestimates? At least I am having issue to make this "...2b.xmcd" to find solution in some real world cases. Solution sheet also fails with Fwft:= 0N.

"I think this is the full solution." For point load part maby, but for orginal probem set with elastic catenary no.

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

The sheet fails at no concentrated weight (Fwgt = 0N)because of the requirement thst the slopes be positive. If you disable those [sinh(x/a)>0], it will find a solution.

It was not my intent to provide a verified, cast iron, bullet proof tool; merely to show a general solution approach. (Borrowed heavily from Tom Gutman's earlier work.) The fact that the graph must be tweaked to make the absolute end heights plot correctly (the solution engine constrains the delta height) then tweaked again to plot for whatever height is desired and not cut the top off the graph does not detract from the solution.

Learn. Modify. Impress us!

Re: One catenary problem - continued (again!)

Yes, it is a grait Job!

But sorry - H.1 must be H.1 and H.2 must be H.2 - in fitst line! As in my jobs

Or I do not understand some one?

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