Ok, Im an autocad user for many years. It works ok for what I do. I was recently ""Training"" on Pro-E. After a week of training I still was not able to create a square plate and punch a hole in the center. The software is horrible...Not intuitive, a nightmare! I still blame the company for such a poor training program. Pro-e/PTC should be asshamed..... I downloaded the personnel edition of cocreate....in 25 minutes I made a complex part with lots of great features, shelled out, screw boss's.....slots etc....Even did the drawing with dimensioning......All I can say is WOW! So simple, so intuitive....Amazing..... Thank you Thank you Thank you! Oh can you say ""Goodbye Autocad" Dan