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Windows 8?

Can anyone say Google Goggles and Nintendo Power Glove...? - Just sayin'...

Seriously, the desktop/hardware issue is an interesting comment. If (actually when) the consumer desktop market goes away and usage shrinks to engineering/technical applications only, where will the costs go? Through the roof? What are the alternatives. I'm sure some of you have read articles or attended seminars addressing this and it would be interesting to hear what the future might hold. It might help some of us sys-admins begin planning now for major changes down the road.

Chris Pipe<">mailto:->
Eng. Sys. Analyst

Windows 8?

Hi Chris,
Mmmmm 3D virtualisation...

So as a greybeard I recall starting back in '95 with ProE at R14 which I
think was the first or near first version to run on Windows and that in
itself was a cost down driver for workstations. Even those early Windows
NT3.5 machines were very expensive they were not as much as the UNIX boxes
(remember silicon Graphics anyone?). For us those '94 workstations with
21" CRT were about 25k NZD (think 20k USD) whereas now we look at less than
5k NZD 4k USD) for a system of so much more power it is not even on the
same scale.

You correctly identify Technical use as relatively small I guess the answer
is still in Gaming as I don't see those moving from larger hardware anytime
soon since tablets are concerned with battery life not horsepower.


*Brent Drysdale*
*Senior Design Engineer*
Tait Communications

Windows 8?

It's a common misconception that a new technology will totally replace
older technology. Old technology only disappears very rarely. TV did not
replace radio, E-mail did not replace regular mail, they co-exist. Even
telegrams can still be sent. PC's will be around for quite a while
longer, and CAD systems have pretty stable hardware demands (contrary to
gaming), so I don't think they will become more expensive.

Long term predictions are difficult, but I think tablets may well be
used as interface, with some cluster doing the hard work in the
background (or "cloud" if you prefer). Just as many people now have a
NAS at home, we may well all have some central processing core in our
home that does all the hard work for the tablets, TVs, phones, any other
hardware devices.

Oh and as much as I like Linux, I don't think it will ever go
mainstream, no matter how much Microsoft messes up Windows. There are
too many distributions, each with different GUI options, making it a
very confusing user experience. Mac OS would have a better chance, if it
weren't for Apple's preference for closed ecosystems. (Which is why they
will probably turn OS-X into something very iOS-like). Again, I predict
something more cloud-based will rule the market. Similar to Chrome OS.
But with an in-company cluster, so companies are not dependent on
external parties for their IT infrastructure.

We'll see how things develop. These are interesting times, that's for

Best regards,
Patrick Asselman

EXT : Windows 8?

I Remember the "SGI's". Very nice for their day. $ Though. Are they still around?


RE: Windows 8? No: old SGIs

Yes, they're still around!

I've got a bunch of old SGI'sin my office: an Origin 200 Server, an Octane,5 O2's and an Indigo2 at home.. They're all inactive except one that's still being used as a file server running Samba for our Model Shop. Since our IT dept. doesn't allow unpassworded accounts and Samba does, it's been used since we went to Active Directory 10-12 years ago.

As to why, it's a pain to log in to a passworded account on our old NT3.51 based CNC mill (and there's no storage space on the mill itself), so the O2 is used to store NC files from multiple machinists in a central location. It's been running for years.

From a power consumption perspective I suppose we could get a low power mini-PC and run Samba on Linux on it and save some electricity, but I couldn't bear to throw them out: we spent over $250,000 for all the SGI's (and a couple of nearly useless Sun Sparc 10's).. now they're boat anchors..

When we were still using them for other things, I ran WindowMaker ("NeXTStep" look-alike) as my desktop window manager and found it much better than SGI's 4D desktop. There was lots of useful open source software on SGI's freeware site and gcc ran pretty nicely on it for anything else you might have wanted to install.

I've told my colleagues that I'm going toclose my "SGI Museum" soon and they'll head to the recycling center. I could use the office space :-)

Interesting to note that the only Mips R4400 based computer still actively being used around here is my son's old Nintendo N64 :-)


In Reply to Doug Pogatetz:

I Remember the "SGI's". Very nice for their day. $ Though. Are they still around?