Creo 2, turn off intent manager?

davehaigh · ‎Oct 29, 2012

I have a user that wants to know how to turn off the intent manager in Creo 2.0

Is it possible? Hidden config or something?

David Haigh
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davehaigh · ‎Oct 29, 2012

This is what the help file says in Creo 2.0. Turns out this went away in WildFire 5.

"Using the Intent<">http://localhost:60200/pma/sketcher/About_Sketcher.html?queryId=13aae9c9efb> Manager<,">http://localhost:60200/pma/sketcher/About_Sketcher.html?queryId=13aae9c9efb>, you can dynamically dimension and constrain geometry as you sketch. The option to turn it off is no longer available."

David Haigh

DeanLong · ‎Nov 02, 2012

Honestly...I can't think of a single reason why anyone would want to go it alone without IM. Gotta teach that old dog the new tricks. 🐵

HugoHermans · ‎Nov 03, 2012

Hi Dean,

I'm such an old dog, and I can think of a reason. In the past year, I had a few users that were stuck in their corrupted (old?) sketches. By turning off the IM, I could resolve the issues. So, turning off the IM is a kind of rescue option.

Regards, Hugo.

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kimndave9 · ‎Nov 03, 2012

Sometimes the Intent Manager seems more like MS Office "Clippy" to me.

"Is that a line you're putting in? Would you like some help?"

For those who have never met Clippy, that's because a large number of MS
customers complained about how annoying it was.**

Often enough what IM chooses to do is not what I want. Especially
annoying is when it puts a weak dimension in an area I'm not looking at
and it takes a while to figure out how the sketch is constrained when I
know I didn't finish constraining it. Ever have an overenthusiastic
helper grab the mouse from you? That's what IM feels like to me. Sure
you get the mouse back, but then you don't know what exactly happened or
when it's getting grabbed again.

I liked the method that was used in Cognition's Mechanical Advantage
(MA). When asked, it highlighted the geometry that was not controlled.
Vector indicators were displayed for the degrees of freedom remaining,
like a 2-D checklist. If only one end of line was fixed the other end
would show 2DOF. If the length was then dimensioned, the degree of
freedom perpendicular to the line would be shown.

The MA interface always kept the constraints window open, along with all
the geometry and dimensioning tools. Sketcher is still behind in that area.

Dave S.

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headed up by the then-future Mrs. Gates. Clippy was the only feature to
survive from Bob, and was eventually taken behind the barn, only one
bullet required.

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DeanLong · ‎Nov 04, 2012

Hugo....corrupted (ambiguous) sketches? Have not seen any ofthose in ages. Not to make light of the fact you deal with those....but that sounds more like bad modeling/sketching practices than the IM. I know you might be the unwarranted recipient of "other's" past mistakes, but in the end making the "corrupted" sketch new, fresh and robust - even if the old sketch needs to be deleted - your model is better for the future.

There are techniques to redo (or create new)the corrupted sketch so the model does not fall apart.

DeanLong · ‎Nov 04, 2012

David....

"one bullet required" LOVE IT!

dgallup · ‎Nov 05, 2012

If you think clippy was a bad idea, just wait till you see Windoze 8. Designed for phones and tablets, the h3ll with anybody trying to accomplish actual work on a real computer. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse than ribbons ......

To no totally hijack the thread, I have once or twice turned intent manager off in the last couple of years. Sometimes it really is easier on a fairly complex sketch to fully dimension & constrain it yourself before letting it regen. Losing the ability to do that is not my idea of robust software design. I do use intent manager 99.9% of the time.

Never even heard of Cognitions Mechanical Advantage but it would be nice to have the constraints & references windows stay open while dimensioning. And those sneaky weak dimensions do pop up sometimes when you least expect them and they are not that visible.

In Reply to David Schenken:

Sometimes the Intent Manager seems more like MS Office "Clippy" to me.

"Is that a line you're putting in? Would you like some help?"

For those who have never met Clippy, that's because a large number of MS
customers complained about how annoying it was.**

Often enough what IM chooses to do is not what I want. Especially
annoying is when it puts a weak dimension in an area I'm not looking at
and it takes a while to figure out how the sketch is constrained when I
know I didn't finish constraining it. Ever have an overenthusiastic
helper grab the mouse from you? That's what IM feels like to me. Sure
you get the mouse back, but then you don't know what exactly happened or
when it's getting grabbed again.

I liked the method that was used in Cognition's Mechanical Advantage
(MA). When asked, it highlighted the geometry that was not controlled.
Vector indicators were displayed for the degrees of freedom remaining,
like a 2-D checklist. If only one end of line was fixed the other end
would show 2DOF. If the length was then dimensioned, the degree of
freedom perpendicular to the line would be shown.

The MA interface always kept the constraints window open, along with all
the geometry and dimensioning tools. Sketcher is still behind in that area.

Dave S.

**For fun, look up what MS Bob was going to be like. The Bob project was
headed up by the then-future Mrs. Gates. Clippy was the only feature to
survive from Bob, and was eventually taken behind the barn, only one
bullet required.

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DamianCastillo · ‎Nov 05, 2012

I would agree with those that point to a training issue here. I can't think of any reason why anyone would want to turn this off. I understand that dealing with old sketches may be the only reason, but I can't remember the last time I ran across this myself.

good luck.

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JoshuaHouser · ‎Nov 19, 2012

That's a good point Hugo. I remember several times where we had a sketch with our corporate logo in it. These days, we generally use IBL's.

I do kind of remember getting thrown out of intent manager to fix these things in the past (WF5, Creo 1, etc.). Does that still happen? I remember sheer panic when faced with fixing an ugly sketch without IM, but I think I stumbled my way through it.