Summary - Laptop Benchmarks

[unknown1]

Well, in the group there is only one M60 - and the comment was "it rips
for a laptop.." No one with an IBM responded. Had one D800 Dell and it
works fine was the comment there.

OpenGL compatibility was also brought up as a concern, ATI is the
graphics card used in the IBM's, however they are "certified" by PTC for
Wildfire usage, that was our IS department's primary criteria.

So far the approach/rumor that I have heard is that we are going to
order one of each, IBM and Dell, if that comes to pass, I will post the
benchmarks here for you folks to see.

This was one of the benchmark sites I looked at, I know it is artist
based, note the inclusion of the Apple, but the Dell 340's are what we
have now as desktops, and the M60 compared well to it.
http://www.mediaworkstation.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=20132

Thanks for the responses.

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[ptc-353751]

>> OpenGL compatibility was also brought up as a concern, ATI is
>> the graphics card used in the IBM's, however they are "certified"
>> by PTC for Wildfire usage, that was our IS department's primary
>> criteria.

We have a less than 6-month old IBM laptop that I believe has an upgraded
video processor option. Maybe that particular model came with that video
processor to begin with.... It was specifically for ProE and Inventor
compatibility. I don't think it gets too much usage but when it has been
used, there's been no complaints.


Hall

[carchuleta]

I ran the benchmark several times and all are close. Here are the results.

Dell M60, Windows XP Pro, 2gb DDR SDRAM, NVIDIA QUADRO FX Go1000 128mb, 60GB
ATA-100(7200)HARD DRIVE

ch_results.txt.1OCUS Benchmark v4 run with Pro/E Wildfire. countocus4 v4.0

[unknown1]

50 minutes total... whoa... The Maxvision portables which are pretty
big... but can run the bench in 15-16 minutes.
If you are considering a Laptop for a big job it may better to look
portable PC like Maxvision. My only dislike as it
regards the Maxvision is that they don't currently offer a x86-64
version as yet....

Ron Davis, Sr Mech Product Designer
Rackable Systems, Inc
San Jose, Ca. 95131

(510) 290-4567

[carchuleta]

$15,000 whoa.... I can get a workstation for my desk, a laptop for travel
and still have money left in the budget to go to the PTC/USERS.
That is a cool system, I love the 3 screens. It would be real cool to go
into a meeting and break that thing out.

The M60 did better over all than my Dell Precision 530 with dual XEON 2.40,
2 gig of ram, wildcat 6110. Of course my 530 is 3years old (all sort of
crap loaded on it) and the M60 is new (Clean install). Tonight we plan to
run the benchmark on a new Dell Precision 650 with dual XEON 3.20, 2 gig of
ram, NVIDIA FX3000 with 256 mb

Here are the numbers, postive numbers = M60 better, negative = 530 better.


M60
PRECISION 530

Retrieve Assembly (CP)
139
103
36

200 wireframe redraws (GR)
591
475
116

50 wireframe redraws with DTMS (GR)
128
104
24

4 hiddenline redraws (GR)
6
44
-38

8 FastHLR Activations (CP)
57
37
20

75 hiddenline redraws with FastHLR (GR)
107
71
36

1 shaded mouse spins (GR)
691
615
76

220 shaded redraws (GR)
648
524
124

80 realtime rendered redraws (GR)
181
124
57

11 shade calculations (CP)
64
66
-2

15 wireframe mouse zooms (GR)
217
62
155

initiate advanced shade mode (CP)
14
13
1

5 advanced shaded mouse zooms (GR)
127
48
79

12 Hard Regenerations (CP)
57
39
18

150 Part saves (DI)
98
53
45

6 Part Selections (GR)
70
76
-6

20 Screen updates (GR)
26
43
-17

20 Comp.Disp. translates (GR)
207
65
142

70 Automatic Regenerations (CP)
69
51
18

15 X-Section shows (GR)
52
36
16

40 Perspective views (GR)
101
67
34

4 Assy Mass Properties calculation (CP)
60
51
9

8 Global Interference checks (CP)
42
30
12

2 Assy IGES export (CP+DI)
145
61
84

10 Drawing creations (CP)
19
64
-45

70 Show Dimensions (GR)
3
28
-25

2 Regenerate Views HIDDEN LINE (CP)
0
31
-31

2 Regenerate Views NO HIDDEN (CP)
0
29
-29

1 Postscript file creation (CP+DI)
1
18
-17

1 DXF file creation (CP+DI)
1
25
-24


Total
4892
305
4587

CPU Related tasks (CP)
668
618
50

Graphics Relatsed tasks (GR)
4126
238
3888

DISK related tasks (DI)
245
157
88

[unknown1]

I thought this was a very interesting thread seeing as how we just bought a
new laptop last week. I was very eager to see the comparison to the M60.
Results of the benchmark on this new machine seem reasonable for a laptop,
maybe at a good price too? The machine was about $2700. Some graphics
problems, but I have it hooked to Dell 1901FP flap panel when the problems
occur.



Does anyone have a good price comparison for the M60 that has been
considered/benchmarked here recently? I made a stab at it and wound up at a
higher configuration price.




Make

Dell


Model

Inspiron 9100


Processor

3.2 Ghz P4 w/HT


RAM

1 Gb DDR 400Mhz


Disk

60Gb 7200rpm


Graphics

128 Mb ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 AGP


Operating System

XP Pro


Version

Wildfire


Test

Result1


Retrieve Assembly (CP)

82


200 wireframe redraws (GR)

126


50 wireframe redraws with DTMS (GR)

59


4 hiddenline redraws (GR)

43


8 FastHLR Activations (CP)

36


75 hiddenline redraws with FastHLR (GR)

58


1 shaded mouse spins (GR)

27


220 shaded redraws (GR)

140


80 realtime rendered redraws (GR)

60


11 shade calculations (CP)

40


15 wireframe mouse zooms (GR)

73


initiate advanced shade mode (CP)

10


5 advanced shaded mouse zooms (GR)

53


12 Hard Regenerations (CP)

50


150 Part saves (DI)

61


6 Part Selections (GR)

37


20 Screen updates (GR)

46


20 Comp.Disp. translates (GR)

55


70 Automatic Regenerations (CP)

44


15 X-Section shows (GR)

393


40 Perspective views (GR)

72


4 Assy Mass Properties calculation (CP)

38


8 Global Interference checks (CP)

27


2 Assy IGES export (CP+DI)

58


10 Drawing creations (CP)

49


70 Show Dimensions (GR)

52


2 Regenerate Views HIDDEN LINE (CP)

31


2 Regenerate Views NO HIDDEN (CP)

30


1 Postscript file creation (CP+DI)

611


1 DXF file creation (CP+DI)

615


Total

3076


Graphics

1294


CPU

1721


Disk

1345





Clint Schneider

Pensar Development, Inc.

clints@pensardevelopment.com

www.pensardevelopment.com <http: www.pensardevelopment.com="/>

[carchuleta]

We did a price compression the and came out close.

Dell Recommended the M60 over the Inspiron

Here is a quote for the Dell rep.

Graphics: The M60/Go1000 have OpenGL acceleration via hardware, so the
OPenGl performance w/ the Go1000 is up to 100% faster on key benchmarks (in
some cases, even more so). (We have the benchmark numbers for the Go1000,
and our internal teams are running the numbers on the 9700 as well, so we
should have the official numbers shortly, if the customer is interested in
those). (In the 9700 info on the web, the reference to Opengl is simply in
the context of the shaders that are also on the consumer card - that does
not mean the Open GL performance of the 9700 is equal, or even close).


This is form our CAD Admin.
Knowing that our concerns regarding the M60 were around processor speeds he
pointed out that the combination of the cache and processor on the M60
outperforms the combination on the Inspiron even with CPU clock speeds
almost doubling on the Inspiron. He said that there are a couple things that
would make the Inspiron a better choice but they were criteria at the bottom
of our list so I'd recommend moving forward with the M60.

After seeing your numbers I really wonder what is the better system. Our
total was 3053.

Anyway this is what we got.

Dell Precision

Mobile Workstation M60

Intel(r) Pentium(r) M Processor

1.70GHz 15.4 WUXGA Display M6017 [221-2955] 1

Operating System

Microsoft(r) Windows(r) XP

Professional, SP1 with Media

and NTFS

WXP1 [420-3186] 11

Memory 2GB, DDR SDRAM Memory (2DIMMS) 2GB2 [311-2937] 3

Graphics CardNVIDIA(r) Quadro FX Go1000(tm) graphics w/128MB DDR Video
MemFX1000 [320-3354] 6

Boot Hard Drives 60GB ATA-100 IDE (7200 rpm) 60I72 [340-9357] 8

Floppy Drive Floppy Drive, Internal/External FD [340-7307] 10

Mouse Dell USB 2-Button Optical Mouse with Scroll LOD [310-4165] 12

Modem Internal 56K Modem INTM [313-1428] 14

Removable Storage 128MB Dell(tm) USB MemoryKey 128KEY [311-3142] 15

Modular BayDevices 4X DVD+RW/+R DVDRW4 [313-2052] 16

Wireless Local Area

Networking Options Dell Wireless 1350 WLAN (802.11b/g, 54Mbps) miniPCI Card
DW1350 [430-0907] 19

Battery 9-Cell Primary Battery 9CELLP [312-0064] 27

Hardware Support 3Yr Parts + Onsite Labor

(Services Business Day) + CompleteCare [970-2208]

Installation Services No Installation NOINSTL [900-9987] 32

File System NTFS File System Override forW2K (SP3) NTFS [420-0153] 37

Mouse Pad Mouse Pad MPAD [310-0007] 38

Additional Battery 6-Cell Secondary Modular Battery 6CELL [312-0065] 80

Purchase Intent Purchase is not intended for resale. NOT4SEL [462-4506] 138

our lease price was under 4,000

[drew007]

I have an HP nw8000. I ran the benchmark and compared to the M60 listed
earlier. Here are the results.



Machine1
Machine2

Name

Make
HP Compaq
Dell

Model
nw8000
M60

Processor
1.7 GHz Pentium M
1.7 GHz Pentium M

RAM
1 GB
2 GB

Graphics
ATI Fire GL T2 128Mb
Nvidia Quadro FX Go1000

Operating System
Windows XP Pro
Windows XP Pro

Version
60GB HD 7200rpm
60GB HD 7200rpm

Test
Result1
Result2
Diff

1
Retrieve Assembly (CP)
88
103
17.05%

2
200 wireframe redraws (GR)
31
475
1432.26%

3
50 wireframe redraws with DTMS (GR)
37
104
181.08%

4
4 hiddenline redraws (GR)
43
44
2.33%

5
8 FastHLR Activations (CP)
37
37
0.00%

6
75 hiddenline redraws with FastHLR (GR)
34
75
120.59%

7
1 shaded mouse spins (GR)
32
615
1821.88%

8
220 shaded redraws (GR)
44
524
1090.91%

9
80 realtime rendered redraws (GR)
25
124
396.00%

10
11 shade calculations (CP)
51
66
29.41%

11
15 wireframe mouse zooms (GR)
62
62
0.00%

12
initiate advanced shade mode (CP)
13
13
0.00%

13
5 advanced shaded mouse zooms (GR)
58
48
-17.24%

14
12 Hard Regenerations (CP)
41
39
-4.88%

15
150 Part saves (DI)
41
53
29.27%

16
6 Part Selections (GR)
29
76
162.07%

17
20 Screen updates (GR)
36
43
19.44%

18
20 Comp.Disp. translates (GR)
52
65
25.00%

19
70 Automatic Regenerations (CP)
49
51
4.08%

20
15 X-Section shows (GR)
33
36
9.09%

21
40 Perspective views (GR)
45
67
48.89%

22
4 Assy Mass Properties calculation (CP)
51
51
0.00%

23
8 Global Interference checks (CP)
29
30
3.45%

24
2 Assy IGES export (CP+DI)
66
61
-7.58%

25
10 Drawing creations (CP)
35
64
82.86%

26
70 Show Dimensions (GR)
30
28
-6.67%

27
2 Regenerate Views HIDDEN LINE (CP)
32
31
-3.13%

28
2 Regenerate Views NO HIDDEN (CP)
31
29
-6.45%

29
1 Postscript file creation (CP+DI)
19
18
-5.26%

30
1 DXF file creation (CP+DI)
25
25
0.00%

Total
1199
3057
154.96%

Graphics
591
2386
303.72%

CPU
567
618
8.99%

Disk
151
157
3.97%


Andrew Montgomery
Designer / Engineering Systems Administrator
ph. 815-673-6048
fax 443-432-0467
Vactor / Guzzler Manufacturing <http: www.vactor.com="/>
Federal Signal Corp. <http: www.federalsignal.com="/>

[DavidBlackburn]

It looks like the dell M60 had the win32 graphics option turned on instead

of open GL. The results are very similar to what we got with opengl turned

off on my IBM a31p with an ati card (we turned off opengl to show our mis

group the speed impact of not having a graphics board in our laptop).



I had to remove the results from this email, the exploder said it would not
send it out with it attached (email was too large). I hope this is not
sending out a duplicate email.



David Blackburn



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[unknown1]

Has anyone run the bench with an Athlon64 3200 laptop as yet ? I realize
there is only one or
two suppliers who are making this laptop as yet...

Ron Davis, Sr Mech Product Designer
Rackable Systems, Inc
San Jose, Ca. 95131

(510) 290-4567

[unknown1]

Ok, I got ahold of one of my supervisors IBM T40p, I think last years
model, anyway on the IBM website it is the T41p that is offered now.

ATI Mobility Fire GL 9000 resolution 1400x1050
Win XP Pro SP1
Wildfire 1.0 M150
pentium m 1.6 GHz
512 Mb ram
in config.pro graphics=opengl

14-May-04 06:38:13 = Start OCUS Benchmark
14-May-04 06:42:03 = 230 seconds = Retrieve Assembly (CP)
14-May-04 06:43:08 = 65 seconds = 200 wireframe redraws (GR)
14-May-04 06:44:05 = 57 seconds = 50 wireframe redraws with DTMS (GR)
14-May-04 06:46:02 = 117 seconds = 4 hiddenline redraws (GR)
14-May-04 06:47:41 = 99 seconds = 8 FastHLR Activations (CP)
14-May-04 06:48:54 = 73 seconds = 75 hiddenline redraws with FastHLR
(GR)
14-May-04 06:50:08 = 74 seconds = 1 shaded mouse spins (GR)
14-May-04 06:51:48 = 100 seconds = 220 shaded redraws (GR)
14-May-04 06:52:52 = 64 seconds = 80 realtime rendered redraws (GR)
14-May-04 06:55:03 = 131 seconds = 11 shade calculations (CP)
14-May-04 06:56:50 = 107 seconds = 15 wireframe mouse zooms (GR)
14-May-04 06:57:23 = 33 seconds = initiate advanced shade mode (CP)
14-May-04 07:00:53 = 210 seconds = 5 advanced shaded mouse zooms (GR)
14-May-04 07:02:40 = 107 seconds = 12 Hard Regenerations (CP)
14-May-04 07:04:25 = 105 seconds = 150 Part saves (DI)
14-May-04 07:05:36 = 71 seconds = 6 Part Selections (GR)
14-May-04 07:07:10 = 94 seconds = 20 Screen updates (GR)
14-May-04 07:09:02 = 112 seconds = 20 Comp.Disp. translates (GR)
14-May-04 07:11:12 = 130 seconds = 70 Automatic Regenerations (CP)
14-May-04 07:12:36 = 84 seconds = 15 X-Section shows (GR)
14-May-04 07:14:31 = 115 seconds = 40 Perspective views (GR)
14-May-04 07:16:42 = 131 seconds = 4 Assy Mass Properties calculation
(CP)
14-May-04 07:18:01 = 79 seconds = 8 Global Interference checks (CP)
14-May-04 07:22:35 = 274 seconds = 2 Assy IGES export (CP+DI)
14-May-04 07:24:15 = 100 seconds = 10 Drawing creations (CP)
14-May-04 07:25:31 = 76 seconds = 70 Show Dimensions (GR)
14-May-04 07:27:00 = 89 seconds = 2 Regenerate Views HIDDEN LINE (CP)
14-May-04 07:28:37 = 97 seconds = 2 Regenerate Views NO HIDDEN (CP)
14-May-04 07:29:24 = 47 seconds = 1 Postscript file creation (CP+DI)
14-May-04 07:30:15 = 51 seconds = 1 DXF file creation (CP+DI)

Total = 3122 seconds
CPU Related tasks (CP) = 1598 seconds
Graphics Relatsed tasks (GR) = 1419 seconds
DISK related tasks (DI) = 477 seconds