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WF 3 - Vista

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WF 3 - Vista

Hi Chaps

Can anyone out there give me the benefit of their Vista experience??

We are currently using WF 3 M110, 7 seats, and are to be changing hardware to Dell Precisoin T3400 workstations with 4GB memory and an NVIDIA FX3450 (MRGA) 256 MB graphics card. These machines will be running Vista.

I have read the TPI.136411, but was wondering if anyone has tried WF3 with a Vista platform yet.

Any comments / ideas would be gratefully received....

Thanks in advance

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WF 3 - Vista

Jon,

Avoid Vista if you can

I recently tested WF3 (M120) on Vista, using Olaf Corten's benchmark.

It takes twice as long to complete than under Windows XP.
There was no specific area of slowness.
Everything was slow: Disk, CPU, Graphics, etc.

Gerry Champoux Williams International
Lead Engineer 2280 E. West Maple Road
Information Technology Walled Lake, MI 48390
' (248) 960-2816 7 (248) 960-2607
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www.williams-int.com

WF 3 - Vista

Interesting link to blog (if your internet police allow it)



WF 3 - Vista

For those of you that read the worldcadaccess article, you will notice
that Pro/E runs 85% slower under Vista.
That was true at the time the article was written (Jan 2007) and was
mostly due to serious OpenGL problems.
I had encountered this as well in my earliest Vista testing in mid 2007.
In my tests of December 2007, new graphic drivers were available,
(nVidia) and I had my Vista PC totally up-to-date on Microsoft patches.
Although performance improved, the results were still pitiful: 50%
degradation vs. XP.


Gerry

WF 3 - Vista

Precision workstations can be loaded with WinXP without using an MS product code, so when the boxes arrive they can be stripped of Vista until Microsoft gets its act together.

Gerry Champoux wrote:Jon, Avoid Vista if you can I recently tested WF3 (M120)on Vista, using Olaf Corten's benchmark.
Ittakes twice as long to complete than under Windows XP.There was no specific areaof slowness.Everything was slow: Disk, CPU,Graphics, etc. Gerry Champoux Williams International
Lead Engineer 2280 E. West Maple Road
Information Technology Walled Lake, MI 48390
' (248) 960-2816 7(248) 960-2607
* - þwww.williams-int.com

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In Reply to:
Precision workstations can be loaded with WinXP without using an MS product code, so when the boxes arrive they can be stripped of Vista until Microsoft gets its act together.

Trouble is, my company is a subsidiary to head office in Germany, and the command has come down from a gentleman in Europe who has decreed that the whole organization will change to Vista by Feb 20, so unless we can get some sort of ‘stay of execution’ it will not matter what workstation we are given, they will all be running Vista…


WF 3 - Vista

OK, it's Friday afternoon and time for a little lively discussion. But
after reading Gerry's posting and from what else I heard (if I can
believe the Mac commercials on TV) about Vista and the problems with
earlier versions of Windows that people have went through, I have to
ask. How does Windows (Microsoft) stay in business and why as consumers
do we continue to put up with this?


Tim Knier
Finishing Engineering

QuadTech
A Subsidiary of Quad/Graphics

Sussex, Wisconsin
414-566-7439 phone
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www.quadtechworld.com


WF 3 - Vista

How does Microsoft get away with it?
Momentum.
Microsoft is a huge rolling bolder.
No matter how bad they mess up, they can get away with it for years to
come.

Microsoft gets nearly all of their Vista sales from PC's pre-loaded with
Vista.
(Have you ever met someone you actually purchased the upgrade for their
existing XP PC?)

You virtually cannot buy a Windows XP PC unless you get it from an
on-line source, such as Dell or HP.
However, Microsoft plans to turn off that option this summer, and will
no longer offer XP unless the extention is extended again..
Afterward, you won't have a choice, and that's just what Microsoft
wants.

With that said, the disgrunted are starting to purchase more Macs &
Linux PC's.
You can even puchase some PC's in-store preloaded with Linux.
It remains to be seen if this trend will take away a significant portion
of Microsoft's businnes.
Even if it does, it will takes years.


Gerry


WF 3 - Vista

Cause they won is why. Whether we like it or not, MS kicks Mosaic,
Netscape, Novell, Red Hat, Sun etc. to the curb each and every time.
However, we all know Firefox is better, Novell server OS rocked, Linux
can do most everything and Solaris is the most stable OS on the planet.



Case in point: A good friend of mine worked at a "phone" company back
in the late 90's early 00's. He showed me phones with digital displays,
HD quality movies, surround sound, etc. No one wanted it then. Why? I
have no freakin clue. Hang on, I'll respond more once I get back from
my Ideation Meetings with Innovation Man.



Cheers,





Roger Willson

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WF 3 - Vista

OK, I'll bite.

Here I need to be able to run Word, Excel, Photoshop, Illustrator, a
browser, Outlook, Pro|E (3 versions), Solidworks (2 versions), my
Dimension 3D printer software, Filemaker Pro, PowerPoint and some other
misc. programs. There are alternatives for some of them on other
platforms(email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc), but not all. What
OS can I get to run all of those besides Windoze? Oh, and I need to be
able to buy my computer from a solid manufacturer with good support & a
warranty.

A dual boot Mac is the closest thing, but we've got Macs here and don't
believe the commercials - they've got plenty of issues too. The best
example is the out of the box and right to computing myth. According to
the IT guy, our last Mac purchase required hours of update downloads
before it was ready to go, just like Windows.

We put up with it because we have no choice.

Doug Schaefer
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Doug Schaefer | Engineering Manager
Crow Works