nVidia Quadro FX580 vs. FX1800
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nVidia Quadro FX580 vs. FX1800
We're interested in saving a little money on new workstations. We're looking at the above mentioned cards and wanted to know the WF4 performance impact of going with the cheaper card. To study this, I cooked up my own graphics focused benchmark by plagiarizing much of Olaf's OCUSB5 Benchmark, which uses models specific to the work we do here.
Surprisingly, the numbers came out just about equal for both cards in every category. Does that seem right? Anyone else checked out the FX580?
Thanks,
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Went from FX1700 (bought with the HPxw6600 about 18 months ago) to FX4800. Overall, the benchmark showed a 25% increase in speed. The only thing different was the video card. If the spreadsheet doesn't go through, let me know and I will send it a different way
OCUS Benchmark v5-64bit
Machine1
Machine1
Name
Make
Model
Processor
RAM
Graphics
FX 1700
FX 4800
Operating System
Version
Test
Result1
Result2
Diff
1
Retrieve generic assembly (CP)
81
64
-20.99%
2
Retrieve assembly 1 (CP)
93
72
-22.58%
3
Retrieve assembly 2 (CP)
107
82
-23.36%
4
Retrieve assembly 3 (CP)
123
93
-24.39%
5
Retrieve assembly 4 (CP)
139
104
-25.18%
6
Retrieve assembly 5 (CP)
156
116
-25.64%
7
Retrieve assembly 6 (CP)
174
126
-27.59%
8
Retrieve assembly 7 (CP)
188
138
-26.60%
9
Retrieve assembly 8 (CP)
205
149
-27.32%
10
Retrieve assembly 9 (CP)
222
161
-27.48%
11
Retrieve assembly 10 (CP)
239
172
-28.03%
12
Retrieve largest assembly (GR)
21
10
-52.38%
13
60 wireframe view redraws (GR)
50
45
-10.00%
14
24 wireframe view redraws with DATUMS on (GR)
182
77
-57.69%
15
1 hidden view redraws (GR)
113
81
-28.32%
16
1 Fast HLR activations (CP)
69
42
-39.13%
17
50 hidden view redraws with Fast HLR (GR)
86
80
-6.98%
18
1 shaded mouse spins (GR)
92
71
-22.83%
19
100 shaded view redraws (GR)
86
64
-25.58%
20
80 realtime rendered redraws (GR)
85
92
8.24%
21
3 shade calculations (CP)
116
58
-50.00%
22
6 wireframe mouse zooms (GR)
114
121
6.14%
23
initiate advanced shaded mode (CP)
77
47
-38.96%
24
4 advanced shaded mouse zooms (GR)
148
169
14.19%
25
16 very advanced shaded spins (GR)
80
50
-37.50%
26
1 save jpeg (CP)
43
32
-25.58%
27
end advanced shaded mode (CP)
59
34
-42.37%
28
6 screen translates (GR)
112
82
-26.79%
29
6 automatic regenerates (CP)
149
43
-71.14%
30
25 Perspective views (GR)
73
94
28.77%
31
10 Perspective zooms (GR)
92
123
33.70%
32
1 mass prop calculations (CP)
61
58
-4.92%
33
1 global interference checks (CP)
75
50
-33.33%
34
1 IGES exports (CP+DI)
264
182
-31.06%
35
1 drawing creations (CP)
58
55
-5.17%
36
150 dimensions show all (GR)
198
110
-44.44%
37
1 regen views HIDDEN LINE (CP)
146
110
-24.66%
38
1 regen views NO HIDDEN (CP)
135
102
-24.44%
39
1 PostScript file creations (CP+DI)
164
122
-25.61%
40
1 DXF File creations (CP+DI)
179
128
-28.49%
41
Erase all from memory (MEM)
15
10
-33.33%
Total
4869
3619
-25.67%
Graphics
1532
1269
-17.17%
CPU
3322
2340
-29.56%
Disk
607
432
-28.83%
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ancestor, and I was not happy with the performance. This one has an
FX3500 and I have no complaints.
I wish I could remember the specific issues I had with the FX500, but it
was several years ago. I just remember counting the days 'till that new
PC arrived. (I bet a forum search for 'FX500' might find my old posts.)
The advice I remember getting was to go with the upper end of the mid
range cards. High end, cutting edge cards come with a price penalty due
to their new technology, low end cards can't keep up. The mid range
cards are a good combination of decent price and good performance.
Doug Schaefer
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I agree with Doug's suggestion that mid-range Quadro's are fine for ProE (if your budget allows), and relatively future-proof for non-ProE applications. I also agree that the high-end cards are a complete waste of money! As you probably already know, the most important factor in ProE workstation performance is cpu single-thread horsepower.
Contrary to Intel's (and virtually all the OEM's) hype, Quad-core cpu is a total waste for ProEngineer (now and thru Wildfire 6) as Part regeneration is not multi-threaded (and won't be through at least Wildfire6). The current ProEngineer cpu champ is the Intel 670 (dual-core Nehalem @ 3.46 ghz, 3.72 ghz in Turbo mode). The only first-tier OEM workstation products that offer this cpu right now (as far as I know) are the Dell T1500 and the HP z200. The funny thing is that both Dell and HP market these as "low-end" systems.
It has always been my experience that on a single monitor, with the highest display resolution settings, that all Quadro graphics cards run ProEngineer about the same (see example below). The 5xx series Quadro has usually been my recommendation, and I have never witnessed a ProEngineer problem whose root cause was the 5xx series card.
I have discussed this issue directly with tech folks inside PTC, Nvidia, and HP, and they are aware of the lack of ProE performance delta across their entire graphics product line. I have seen no data nor heard any claim that the lack of performance delta changes with Wildfire 4 or 5.
Dual display with brutal processes running on both screens at the same time might be a different story, but I don't know any ProE users that actually do that. We have plenty of folks with dual monitors (and 5xx cards) that are doing just fine... but they are only doing graphics-intensive (> 5 million polygons) stuff on one monitor at a time.
I have been running Radar and Antenna Top Assemblies on a HP z200 with a Quadro FX 380 for the last few months with no ill effect.