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Summary: Agile for managing Pro E Data.

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Summary: Agile for managing Pro E Data.

Original Question:

All,

Is there someone who use Agile (PDM System) to manage Pro E data
directly, as a replecment for Intralink ?

someone ever tested this possability?

any input will be appriciated.

Thanks,

Rami

Responds:

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I am a contractor and had completed a short contract at Sage Products in
Crystal Lake, Illinois. They were using Argyle for their production
control, at the time I was there they were talking about it controlling
the Pro/E files. I am not sure if that happened (this was 10 years
ago).

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This isn't a direct answer to your question but we have deployed a
solution at Harris and Cisco that auto publishes data from Ilink into
Agile. You probably want to get rid of Intralink but unfortunately
Agile and any other 3rd party data management solution is going to have
difficulty matching Ilinks functionality. How complex are your parts?
Do you use family tables? The Agile integration is pretty good but
because PTC doesn't expose their entire API for data management there
are some gaps.

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We use Family Tables so unless Agile changes the way they work with
those or we make the decision to move away from family tables, we will
not be using Agile to manage our Pro/E files.

We do use Agile to distribute mostly PDFs of our drawings a few DXFs get
pass and a few word documents as specifications. We also use it to
manage our B.o.M.s and Change Requests & Orders.

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We make .pdf files of our drawings that we attach in Agile...we do the
actual ProE file management in Ilink....I have seen their ProE to Agile
thing demo'd...looks somewhat workable, but it depends on what you're
going to be doing....we've tossed around the idea of creating .zip files
of our sheetmetal assemblies and putting them in Agile so that
purchasing can send them to the vendors, but for now, the engineers are
sending the files to our vendors (we're a pretty small company, w/ only
8 proE users)...purchasing can send them the .pdf files and does for
quoting purposes. I think you could attach .prt and .drws to Agile, but
for assemblies, you might have to attach to much to make it work...or
maybe you attach proe files to each screw, nut, bolt in Agile and then
the BOM in Agile can lead you to all the ProE files you need for that
assembly....



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We use Agile for our Change process and BOMs the only thing that can be
put
into Agile is flat files. Agile does not understand the structure of a
Pro/E drawing like Intralink and WTC's Product Center. If you are going
from a paper system to Agile you will learn to love the abilities of it,
because it handles all the BOMs and ECNs wonderfully, but do not waste
your
time trying to store Pro/E files within it. The only thing we store in
it
from Pro/E are PDF files made from the Pro/E drawings. One thing that
we
are not doing yet that we are talking about is storing the programming
for
sheet metal components in Agile, but that happens at another plant that
does not have as many computer literate individuals at.

We store our Pro/E files in WTC's Product Center, but I heard that
truEInnovation's truVault can control the Pro/E files ad is fairly
inexpensive in comparison to some of the other products out there. Of
course, if you have one of the PTC packages that gives you Intralink I
would go that route. We chose ProdC because we use family tables
extensively and Intralink still even after all these years has problems
with the instances.

Hope that helps,

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We looked at Agile and from what I understood Agile will happily handle
a
pdf or other static file as output from Pro Engineer. It can't,
however,
manage the actual files. You will still need Intralink or something
else.
Take a look at Smarteam. It is a more comprehensive tool than Agile and
it
knows how to handle many different types of relational CAD data. We're
looking at it now.

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Hi Jim,
We use AGILE and ProE. We store PDF, IGES, and DXF formats in AGILE but
use Intralink for actual storage of our ProE files. We store PDF, IGES,
and DXF formats in AGILE since these are the formats most machine shops
use. AGILE is our interface to the rest of the non-engineering world. I
am pro-AGILE for capabilities outside of ProE.

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Jim,
We have Agile here but do not use it to replace INTRALINK (didn't even
know
it could). I would be very (Very) interested in your experiences along
these lines.
Thanks

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To answer your first question, I have not heard of Agile being able to
support Pro-E part structure (.asm, .prt, .drw, etc..) and we have been
using Agile for two years. We still use a different program to
archive are Pro-E files.

On to number two, Agile has been great for our department. We use Agile
to
route ECO's and ECR's for sign-off with viewable files (PDF's) and know
exactly where the change is at all times.
With the newer versions of agile they do support the capabillity of
viewing
native files for several applications such as CAD, MS Office, and
desktop
publishing.

I hope this helps.

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I might be able to point you in some direction. We here at Symbol
Technologies have Agile , and we have two Mech CAD tools namely Pro/E
and
IDEAS. On the CAD side we have , two Intralink sites and 4 IDEAS tdm
sites. We are looking at Product view as the visualization vehicle and
standard file format for viewing corporate wide, by putting these .ol
files from Product view into Agile. We have been pretty happy to date
with
our Agile system. We are working through , right now , with PTC how
Product view will talk to Agile. Our local PTC sales guy , Steve
Jacoby(516-229-2269) knows a PTC implementation guy (Wade ...) that has
done a PTC Agile integration project implementation. Please call him to
find out further details. Please keep in touch on your progress, because
I
would be extremely interested to know how you are doing, as we do the
same.

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This is a question that is starting to be asked here as well. I have
done some searching and really haven't found any good current discussion
on the subject. I would love to here any feedback you get from this
post.

Thanks,

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am interested in a summary of the responses you may get about this
subject.

can you please send me a summary.



For us we have only done a couple of web casts with Agile looking at
Pro/E data management. (on hold at the moment)

It works differently than Intralink, no workspaces and possibly may not
have the same depth as Intralink.

But

I was quite impressed with what I saw. Seamed to handle the dependency
requirements, had a few issues with Family Tables, but this depends on
if or how you use Family Tables. While it was linked to a PLM system, in
some ways looked as if the pro/e data could be manipulated independently
of what was happening in the PLM solution.

But I only saw a couple of Web casts, the real test would be in actually
trialing the software.

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We are considering alternatives to Intralink also. We looked at a
software package called Design Data Manager. It seemed to work well with
ProE and was very simple.

www.designdatamanager.com

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I looked into DDM a few years ago and my biggest gripe was the fact that
you cannot re-name any part, assembly or drawing from within the DDM
software as you can in Pro/Intralink. To me this is a serious enough
flaw that I had to pass on this program. In order to rename a part from
an assembly, you still need to have the top level assembly(s) and
drawing(s) in-session and re-name from within Pro/E (just like you do
now). Bummer.



I guess PTC does not want everyone to have open access to the database
for naming conventions as such.

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One of the main customers I consult with uses Agile E to manage their
CAD data, as well as other data at their company. They are a large
company with numerous plants around the world. Prior to going with
Agile, they were using Pro/PDM. When switching systems, they evaluated
Pro/INTRALINK as well as all the main EDM systems and decided to go with
Agile. They seem to be quite satisfied with their choice