All, Just out of curiosity WHY do you NEED Wildfire 4.0 to work with Intralink 3.4 ? WHY do you and 30 other companies HAVE TO upgrade to Wildfire 4.0, why not just stay at 3.0 ? Is it a PTC support issue ?
Chris, Because many companies don't want to upgrade to PDMLink 8.0 yet. PDMLink8.0 costs anywhere between $80k - $300k depending on the size/complexity of the company and database. Rather than paying that, many companies would rather pay zero, and only upgrade Pro/E to W.F. 4.0. Wouldn't you agree that zero is a better cost if you're generally satisfied with Pro/INTRALINK, but want an upgrade of W.F.? Jeff
Sticking with WF3 is an option for some companies, but not all. As John Schaaf stated, if you need 14.41 compatibility (or some other enhancement), you may need to get to WF4 sooner than others. For some companies, the Windchill based Pro/INTRALINK product may not have all the capabilities that they need, or be cost prohibitive to make the move from Pro/I 3.x. If the necessary features,or resources are not in place until WC 10 or beyond, and you need WF4.... Then you are potentially being pushed away from a PTC solution for data management. If you are on the Data management exploder, I assume you have PTC based Data management solution. That being the case, then we will, sooner or later, face the decision to A) Go to Windchill, B) Freeze our Pro/E release, C) find an alternate tool to manage the Pro/E files, or D) Dump Pro/E for an alternate MCAD solution.... Finding the path that best fits your companies needs (functional, financial, etc) will guide your decision.
Our maintenance allows us to migrate from 3.4 to Intralink 8.0. Everyone knows you don't just throw in the 8.0 disk and upgrade your 3.x installation. Migrating from 3.x to 8.0 would take months at best and/or cost multi-tens of thousands of dollars to have done by someone else. After the migration you are left with software that is less than desirable anyway, so why do it? At this point we'll wait and see what comes out in the future. If you are going to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to upgrade Intralink you might as well consider PDMLink or tools from other vendors
With that said at least we can get some value out of our maintenance dollars by upgrading Pro/Engineer. However we can't upgrade to WF-4 if it isn't compatible with Intralink 3.x. We are just trying to buy some more time before we have to make a decision as Mike Reece suggests.
In my opinion PTC needs to figure out what they are going to do with regards to Intralink 3.x. That way it looks now they will loose a lot of their smaller Intralink and Pro/E customers to other vendors if they don't continue to support a CM/PDM tool like Intralink 3.x that is easy to use, administer and support.
Dave Engel MFS / J. F. Taylor, Inc. David.F.Engel@navy.mil
I feel your pain, however; I think one can extrapolate what they intend to do with iLink 3.x...it's a dead product for a better one. While there may be some implementation pains with PDMLink there are a multitude of customers who have deployed PDMLink with great success. Take a look at Toyota, John Deer to name two.
Since you are still on iLink 3.x I would assume that you haven't deployed Windchill in your facility and therefore only have the user communities opinion. I caution you that the people who spend time on this community are not the only ones using PTC products and only represent a small portion of the PTC user community.
Additionally, industry ranks Windchill in the top 3 enterprise level product development and vault software.
In the Spring, PTC will be releasing Windchill 9 which is supposed to contain all the functionality and more than iLink 3.x.
You and I surf the web every day, buying things, downloading things and finding information. In a client server environment the web would never have happened.
Forget the money for a moment. Imagine that anyone in your organization now has access to information at any time. They have the ability to provide information to anyone at any time. Everyone has the ability to understand who made changes to any document and why. Image the ability to control document privileges in any way possible.
This is true product development and Windchill provides for it. Is it perfect, no, is it completed, no. Are they aware of and working on the shortcomings? Yes. Will the improvements be completed tomorrow no.
PTC has provided their users with a long lead time to make informed and project planning decisions, something they did not do in the past. You think other tools are better and cheaper, this is not correct. Look at people who use SmarTeam, or ask the SAP users who deployed a data manager and find out about the pains and the cost associated with those products. PTC's Windchill is very cost effective and fully featured.
How much did your government location pay for their ERP system? Today is a day of Product Development tools and not just a vault. iLink is old technology. Windchill leverages new technology and will only get better. I would not cross one's fingers about WF 4 support with iLink 3.x. It has 99.99% chance of not happening.