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Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

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Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

All,



I have a simple question.

How many companies out there need Wildfire 4 to be compatible with
Intralink 3.4?



We sure do, reply directly to me and I will compile.



Thanks,



John Schaaf
                                  
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Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

All,



In my very un-scientific poll I received replies from 28 companies
stating the need for Pro/INTRALINK 3.4 compatibility with Wildfire 4.0.



I will compile the company names and publish by the end of next week.

If you do not want your company name published get back to me prior to
Dec 28.



See the original question below:



Regards,



John Schaaf
                                  

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

All,



I have had 30 companies respond with a need for Intralink 3.4
compatibility with Wildfire 4.0.

The companies range in size from very small to thousands of ProE seats.

I will NOT publish these names in the public domain. However, I will be
in Needham, MA for the upcoming PTCUser Technical Committee meetings and
plan to share company names only with PTC.



Any concerns contact me.



Regards,



John Schaaf

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

All,

Just out of curiosity WHY do you NEED Wildfire 4.0 to work with
Intralink 3.4 ?
WHY do you and 30 other companies HAVE TO upgrade to Wildfire 4.0, why
not just stay at 3.0 ?

Is it a PTC support issue ?

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

Chris,

Because many companies don't want to upgrade to PDMLink 8.0 yet. PDMLink8.0 costs anywhere between $80k - $300k depending on the size/complexity of the company and database. Rather than paying that, many companies would rather pay zero, and only upgrade Pro/E to W.F. 4.0. Wouldn't you agree that zero is a better cost if you're generally satisfied with Pro/INTRALINK, but want an upgrade of W.F.?

Jeff

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

Wildfire 4.0 will be compliant with ASME Y14.41 Digital Product
Definition Data Practices.

There is a big push here and at many other companies to use Model Based
Definition and remove the need for drawings.

Intralink 3.X works great and there is very little chance of us going to
PDMLink in the timeframe of the release of Wildfire 4.0





John Schaaf

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

Sticking with WF3 is an option for some companies, but not all. As John
Schaaf stated, if you need 14.41 compatibility (or some other
enhancement), you may need to get to WF4 sooner than others.

For some companies, the Windchill based Pro/INTRALINK product may not
have all the capabilities that they need, or be cost prohibitive to make
the move from Pro/I 3.x. If the necessary features,or resources are not
in place until WC 10 or beyond, and you need WF4.... Then you are
potentially being pushed away from a PTC solution for data management.

If you are on the Data management exploder, I assume you have PTC based
Data management solution. That being the case, then we will, sooner
or later, face the decision to A) Go to Windchill, B) Freeze our
Pro/E release, C) find an alternate tool to manage the Pro/E files, or
D) Dump Pro/E for an alternate MCAD solution.... Finding the path that
best fits your companies needs (functional, financial, etc) will guide
your decision.

RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4


Our maintenance allows us to migrate from 3.4 to Intralink 8.0.
Everyone knows you don't just throw in the 8.0 disk and upgrade your 3.x
installation. Migrating from 3.x to 8.0 would take months at best
and/or cost multi-tens of thousands of dollars to have done by someone
else.

After the migration you are left with software that is less than
desirable anyway, so why do it? At this point we'll wait and see what
comes out in the future. If you are going to shell out tens of
thousands of dollars to upgrade Intralink you might as well consider
PDMLink or tools from other vendors

With that said at least we can get some value out of our
maintenance dollars by upgrading Pro/Engineer. However we can't upgrade
to WF-4 if it isn't compatible with Intralink 3.x. We are just trying
to buy some more time before we have to make a decision as Mike Reece
suggests.

In my opinion PTC needs to figure out what they are going to do
with regards to Intralink 3.x. That way it looks now they will loose a
lot of their smaller Intralink and Pro/E customers to other vendors if
they don't continue to support a CM/PDM tool like Intralink 3.x that is
easy to use, administer and support.

Dave Engel
MFS / J. F. Taylor, Inc.
David.F.Engel@navy.mil


RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

Dave,

I feel your pain, however; I think one can extrapolate what they intend
to do with iLink 3.x...it's a dead product for a better one. While
there may be some implementation pains with PDMLink there are a
multitude of customers who have deployed PDMLink with great success.
Take a look at Toyota, John Deer to name two.

Since you are still on iLink 3.x I would assume that you haven't
deployed Windchill in your facility and therefore only have the user
communities opinion. I caution you that the people who spend time on
this community are not the only ones using PTC products and only
represent a small portion of the PTC user community.

Additionally, industry ranks Windchill in the top 3 enterprise level
product development and vault software.

In the Spring, PTC will be releasing Windchill 9 which is supposed to
contain all the functionality and more than iLink 3.x.

You and I surf the web every day, buying things, downloading things and
finding information. In a client server environment the web would never
have happened.

Forget the money for a moment. Imagine that anyone in your organization
now has access to information at any time. They have the ability to
provide information to anyone at any time. Everyone has the ability to
understand who made changes to any document and why. Image the ability
to control document privileges in any way possible.

This is true product development and Windchill provides for it. Is it
perfect, no, is it completed, no. Are they aware of and working on the
shortcomings? Yes. Will the improvements be completed tomorrow no.

PTC has provided their users with a long lead time to make informed and
project planning decisions, something they did not do in the past. You
think other tools are better and cheaper, this is not correct. Look at
people who use SmarTeam, or ask the SAP users who deployed a data
manager and find out about the pains and the cost associated with those
products. PTC's Windchill is very cost effective and fully featured.

How much did your government location pay for their ERP system? Today
is a day of Product Development tools and not just a vault. iLink is
old technology. Windchill leverages new technology and will only get
better. I would not cross one's fingers about WF 4 support with iLink
3.x. It has 99.99% chance of not happening.

IOP


RE: Wildfire 4 & Intralink 3.4

Unfortunately for many companies, even if it is the day of Product
Development, some smaller companies still need a simple vault to achieve
their product development.

Fortunately that's not me!