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24-Ruby III
November 3, 2017
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Mathcad Prime 5.0: some new updates

  • November 3, 2017
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I decided to start a new topic about the future version 5.0. Based on the new timeline (was dated February 2017), the release is scheduled for early 2018 year. And there is nothing new about the planned features of the 5.0 release.

 

Mathcad_Prime_Timeline_2017-02.png

 

 

 

Old thread "PTC Mathcad Prime Roadmap (2015/2016 update)": https://community.ptc.com/t5/PTC-Mathcad-Blog/PTC-Mathcad-Prime-Roadmap-2015-2016-update/ba-p/446448

Best answer by Fred_Kohlhepp

The steadily increasing time between releases (up to 4.0) suggests that the "early 2018" estimate for Prime 5.0 is management wishful thinking.

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23-Emerald I
November 6, 2017

The steadily increasing time between releases (up to 4.0) suggests that the "early 2018" estimate for Prime 5.0 is management wishful thinking.

3-Newcomer
December 2, 2017

I just keep thinking about what would have happened if PTC had spent their effort continuing on mathcad 16 instead of going towards Prime, which was a useless effort ... What a bad decision from some managers at PTC !

 

I never looked at Prime, as people were saying that it was not good, and light years from Mathcad 15... But now that there was Prime 4.0 , I wanted to compare with Mathcad 15 that I know well... so I did that today.

First I converted a mathcad "capability" file I had for mathcad 15 with all kinds of features to Prime 4.0.

First conclusion : the converter is quite bad, and basically useless for the numerous complex files I have written in mathcad15 through the years... I had to copy and paste pieces of the converted file to see what was working and what was not...

1) The new "look" of mathcad :  I don't know what people think, but mathcad 15 looks more professional to me than Prime, and the rubban don't seem very practical compared to the menus of mathcad15 that seem more intuitive to me, easier and faster to use.

2) The speed ?  On the same computer , large loops with a log computation in the loop are now almost twice slower with prime 4.0 than they were with Mathcad 15 ! On the other hand, large matrices computation seem to have improved in speed by a factor of 3. So speed might be a wash, which is not good. You want newer software to be always faster not slower ...

3) Matlab component is not supported ( but it was not working well in mathcad15), components like the slider and the buttons are not supported.

4) The symbolic equation solver is not supported yet.

5) Some of my 3D graphs ( scatter plot for example) need to be substituted for contour plots that are not as good... The picture operator needed also to be replaced with contour plots in greyscale, for which the greyscale granularity is not good enough and cannot be modified. Certainly not impressed with the plots .

6) The hyperlink capability that was allowing me to jump quickly in large files doesn't seem to be supported.

7)  ... and where are the e-books, and the quick links ?!  They were great, you could just drag and paste the examples in a split second... For example if I need to look at some DSP, I see that some of the DSP examples that used to be in the e-books are now on the net , but the drag and paste doesn't work, and the copy and paste doesn't seem to work well either... One of the great idea of mathcad ( the e-book) is gone !

😎 I stopped looking at Prime 4.0 before investigating any further to see if maybe, Prime had fixed some of the memory leaks of mathcad 15... Maybe Prime 4.0 is better than mathcad 15 in that area, but because of the Prime 4.0 numerous shortcomings I will never know... We will see if Prime 5.0 or 6.0 one day come back to the level of mathcad 15... It looks to me like 10 years of development have been lost !

 

To me, a professional tool that was mathcad 15, was replaced by a product Prime 4.0 ,  that looks "unfinished" and not really usable , what a pity ! 

 

23-Emerald I
December 4, 2017

Your note 4) is (I believe) incorrect; Prime does support symbolics.

 

With that exception, I think you're "spot on."  Which is why there are so many posts in this forum discussing what other options there might be . . .

23-Emerald IV
November 6, 2017

Based on past experience, this would be my prognosis for Prime 5:

LM_20171106_Prime5.png

December 2022 or January 2023.

 

Luc

 

19-Tanzanite
November 6, 2017

LOL!

 

And all new customers will have to pay a subsription every year until 2023 for no updates Smiley LOL

VladimirN24-Ruby IIIAuthor
24-Ruby III
November 10, 2017

Here is what was promised earlier - "Beyond Mathcad Prime 4.0" (in 2015 year):

 Beyond Mathcad Prime 4_0.png

19-Tanzanite
November 11, 2017

"Beyond Prime 4.0" could mean anything. Sure, all those things (which for Plot improvements and Functionality we already have in MC 15) will be available in Prime 6.0*10^6 Smiley LOL

13-Aquamarine
January 30, 2018

Any Updates?

19-Tanzanite
January 30, 2018

The "update" is that they blew the release date for Prime 5.0. As far as Mathcad goes, it seems to be the one thing PTC has a real talent for.

 

What are you expecting to get anyway? All the releases of Prime so far have been a disappointment, even with low expectations before the release. Maybe Prime 5.0 would get past the feeble plotting capabilities of Prime, since that was slated for 4.0, but I wouldn't bank on it. Maybe it wasn't in Prime 4.0 because they just dropped it.

 

Now that you have to pay an annual subscription simply to access your existing worksheets (if you purchased after they switched to subscription only, of course) they don't need to give you anything significant in an update, so don't expect them to do so. Blackmail (pay or lose access to your worksheets) is so much easier, and cheaper, than providing value for money.

13-Aquamarine
January 30, 2018

I agree with some of your points but I have to say Prime is a step forward in a lot of respects.

 

You cannot keep persevering with old software like Mathcad 15 which cannot make use of latest visions of the .NET framework. Even MS has given up on supporting Windows XP. New CPU architecture and new improvements to the language behind .NET cannot be taken advantage of with Mathcad V15.

 

I suspect that they had to rebuild the architecture/engine to make use of the .NET frame work.

 

I much prefer using Prime now compared to V15. The interface is cleaner, looks less dated, functions are nicely organized in a browser. Quality of printed format is much nicer.

 

However it does need some major additions improvements such as

 

  1. The API is severely lacking in features compared to V15, ability to access and create matrices composed of strings, unable to automate printing to PDF, unable to access and create table objects
  2. 3D plotting of meshes and wireframes is terrible and limited to small numbers of elements
  3. unable to programmatically define a variable for include statement to access worksheets.
  4. Extremely hard to maintain references between sheets without paths breaking down. A global variable for reference in item 3 would help here
  5. Need to improve lookup functions on matrices so that it is much faster and quicker to filter and sort data form matrices like SQL/LINQ statements. Lookup functions on strong values is woefully slow.
  6. Improved allocation of memory on arrays to speed up performance.
  7. Ridiculous still no spell checker.
  8. Ability to debug sequentially line by line a program and to look at intermediate values of variables in a step by step process

 

21-Topaz I
March 2, 2018

Why is there no listing for the release of 5.0 on the product calendar on PTC's site?

VladimirN24-Ruby IIIAuthor
24-Ruby III
March 2, 2018

Good question, Steve.