Just a thought on your juicy thread - if you saw a finished model in ProE, would you pay for the full cost of that model? It's just that here, our engineers see a completed model and think you did it in the couple of hours prior to coming to their meeting. In fact, the culminating model is usually the result of long hours of design, with equally long hours removing geometry checks, re-dimensioning the sketches to show the design intent not to mention spending half a day just getting the thing to accept a round! Then there is the time spent in ensuring the least amount of features and that the model will successfully regenerate. I'm sure you can all think of loads more but the end result is just a model with perhaps a drawing. Now add all that time and multiply by the cost and that model and drawing seems to be ultra expensive but of course, if an unskilled user did it, it would cost even more in mostly abortive design time. I suppose the upshot of all this is that we're grossly underpaid and could I have a raise please? TGIF