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"Hole tool"

Oldman
1-Visitor

"Hole tool"

Working in WF4, the "plain" hole tool doesn't provide for a counterbore function. However, if I choose a tapped hole, the counterbore function available. Frankly, I can't even see a use for a tapped hole that is counterbored. I've been around for a while, and have NEVER counterbored a tapped hole. Is there any way that I can "fix" this problem? Currently, I have to use 2 "plain" holes to get the desired results.


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Kevin
12-Amethyst
(To:Oldman)

My guess would be because you typically use counterbored holes with fasteners. Change the option for the depth of the hole to through and you can select the show thread icon to turn off threads which makes the hole a clearance hole. There is also a config.pro option that allows you to overide the hole diameter for holes defined by the hole tables (I believe it's called hole_diameter_overide).

Oldman
1-Visitor
(To:Kevin)

Kevin,

Thanks for your answer, but I can't seem to get the "hole tool" (counterbore of simple holes)

to work satisfactory. I've used this same command in Wildfire2 and Wildfire3, but it seems to

have gotten a little lost in translation to Wildfire4. We're moving to Wildfire5 soon,

(in a month or so) so I hope it's all cleared up in that version.

Jon.

In WF4 I was able to create a counterbored hole, and vary all diameter and depth dimensions by selecting the following settings. Using the simple hole icon (simple_hole.bmp) and then selecting the use standard hole profile as drill hole profile (drill-hole.bmp), the counterbore and countersink buttons became available and then I could create a counterbored hole with whatever dimensions I wanted. I didn't create it as a standard hole (standard_hole.bmp). Hopefully this is what you are looking for.

Below is the shape tab for the hole dashboard just before accepting to create the hole:

New Picture (34).bmp

Hope this helps you out!

-Greg

Greg,

Wow, I've got to say THANKS... Now, It looks like I want it to look.

But, I don't know why the WF4 version didn't follow the same format as 2 and 3.

It works great.

Jon

chris5
1-Visitor
(To:Oldman)

Hi there

You know he is right, so mark his answer as correct.

You can even use the countersink and counterbore at the same time.

Hope this will help you further.

Regards

Chris

Kevin
12-Amethyst
(To:Oldman)

The countersink and counterbore of simple holes was added till WF4. In WF2 and 3 the only way to create a countersink or counterbore using the simple hole option was to sketch the hole profile. The hole tool works the same in WF5 as in WF4 but has some additional features.

WillyC
1-Visitor
(To:Oldman)

Hi guys,

There's another way to do this that uses the 'standard hole' feature, which means basically that you get to choose a counterbore for a specific fastener size

and then tweak the various dimensions if desired. The only drawback is the actual clearance hole diameter is confined to either 'CLOSE FIT' or 'FREE FIT',

and these dimensions are locked to someone's vague idea of these terms.

My example uses a 1/4-20 SHCS. The trick lies in the unobvious (is that a word? PTC has made it necessary so now it's a word even if it wasn't)

'DESELECTING' of the TAP icon. This is the little target looking fella below the word SHAPE in the image below. The next step is to SELECT the

clearance hole icon you see depressed (below the P in Properties) and the c'bore icon at the end of the row. Then you can hit SHAPE as in Greg's

illustration and adjust the counterbore within the above limitations.

c

The only real benefit, if it can be considered such, is that there's an automatic NOTE attached to the feature which can easily be shown in the drawing.

This note has its own frailties and shortcomings, as you might expect, so this is not necessarily a whole-hearted endorsement of this method.

For my money, though, this seems to be PTC's intent for creating a standard counterbore feature and it's the method I use most.

Just another option to consider.

note.JPG

Kevin
12-Amethyst
(To:WillyC)

As I mentioned before the config.pro option hole_diameter_override will allow you to override the diameter value given in the *.hol table. You can also change the note format and values given in the *.hol table file.

Dale_Rosema
23-Emerald III
(To:WillyC)

How do you get to utilize this note in a drawing?

What toggle do you need to turn on or enable?

Thanks,

Dale Rosema

Kevin
12-Amethyst
(To:Dale_Rosema)

On a drawing you select Show Model Annotations and select the Notes tab in WF5.

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