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What to expect from a VAR PLM Consultant

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12-Amethyst

What to expect from a VAR PLM Consultant

Hello


Imagine you are an end users (maybe you are....) you are working on a project to make big changes on your business system (let be it PLM 🙂 ) You work with your consultant, he develops tools, testing are organized and you start implementing the change.


You find a few bizarre things happening. you check on your test server and you can reproduce. Of course, one can say testing was not done properly. Alright but can you really test everything in everything details ? Especially when it is about moving data from one context to another one in the same organisation.


Now, you investigate further and the consultant says that there is a bug in PDMLink 9.1 M050 (exactly the version you use !!!)


https://www.ptc.com/appserver/cs/view/solution.jsp?n=CS12557



Would you expect your consultant to know all the bugs or check if there are any bugs related to Move before ?


Especially that the project is actually only about Moving data (ok create new contexts and ACL).


In other words, should your consultant knows areas of issues in PDMLink that could impact your system and inform you early on in the project by saying. Hold on, you want to do that but beware there are such and such bugs.....



What is your view ?



Thanks

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RandyJones
19-Tanzanite
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On 02/11/14 16:57, NacNac MOTT wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Imagine you are an end users (maybe you are....) you are working on a project to make big changes
> on your business system (let be it PLM Smiley Happy ) You work with your consultant, he develops tools,
> testing are organized and you start implementing the change.
>
> You find a few bizarre things happening. you check on your test server and you can reproduce. Of
> course, one can say testing was not done properly. Alright but can you really test everything in
> everything details ?
>

Almost impossible to test everything. And some issues might not be discovered for weeks or months
down the road.

> Especially when it is about moving data from one context to another one in the same organisation.
>
> Now, you investigate further and the consultant says that there is a bug in PDMLink 9.1 M050
> (exactly the version you use !!!)
>
>
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12-Amethyst
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Hello Randy



thank you for your post. You said it, very interesting how PTC considers issues differently.



Have a nice day

ddemay
7-Bedrock
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I expect a consultant to pay attention daily to advisories issued by PTC
using the subscription feature. I also expect them to try to break a system
or solution before presenting it to customer. Some things are not found
until amount of user increase on system like performance, but access
control, security, and other related features are predictable and should be
eliminated as a risk by consultant prior to asking customer to test.



Having said this, there are a lot of consultants in the industry who come
from different backgrounds and it is not fair to hire a single consultant
thinking you will get the best advice from just one. Big changes should
take advice from at least three consultants and let them ideally be opposing
in view on some things and from different companies so they may advise you
and let the customer determine their comfort level of risk.



One consultant should be PLM expert, one consultant should have computer
science background, and the last consultant should know PTC software suite
and how it compares to competitors' software suites. Out of the three,
hopefully you also get one or more that think big picture and think/reflect
about the future; not just where you have been, but what will happen in your
system after the engagement is over.



Not all companies will say they can afford this, but they ultimately end up
paying for it in long term operational expense anyway.



- David






Hi NacNac,


I believe the question should be both VAR (vendor approved reseller) andoriginal equipment manufacturer, or OEM (PTC). As a past PTC implementation consultant and end user (aircraft design engineer), Dave Demay is correct. Even PTC GS consultants are not aware of all current SPRs. Sometimes searching through PTC knowledge base or working with PTC technical support doesn't always get the right/all answers. PTC technical support and GS are not the same departments. And like always, it takes skills and experience to be more aware of common issues. With VARs, the access to PTC information is less than PTC consultants.


Both VARs and OEMs are allowed to pick from many sources of resources from the very experienced to green out of school in many different areas:



  • end users/business owners/advisors (engineering/configuration managers, engineers, techincal writers, lawyers, medial, other program and project managers in the various industries) who can be easily trained in the tools

  • EX-OEM consultants(ex-PTC Consultants), customer support, developers

  • Sofware and hardware engineers

  • Infrastructure experts

  • DBAs

On the other side of the fence, the customer has constraints (budget, resources, time)and should be completely aware of the limitations and risk if they choose their paths of implementation with VARs (certified or not) and OEMs. Sometimes always going with theeither big or smallcompanies, you may lose out in the success of the implementations:



  • Big OEMs/VARs can send you green guys due to price points and profit

  • small VARs just doesn't have the bandwidth to provide solutions and support

  • Going cheap can be very costly in the long run with workarounds, business impacts and redo's

  • Going expensive, initial impact of cost and better get it right the first time.

Implementations, should be really like an operation room, have great working team with the best of the best from business, solution, system architectures to fit the true needs of the customer like a patient. The green guys tag along for a year or 2 to be trained and get adequate experience. Since most implementations incur the same cost as medical operations, we should take that path of professionally ensuring consultants of software receive adequate skills before they jump into doing surgery. Similarly, Europeans have a great apprenticeship program. The great difference in implementing software is the ability to follow ITIL, Agile and UML methodology with repeat testing of user/business requirements and acceptance with development, test and then production. Engineering and CM process are not really different from customer to customer. You can always simplify/filter functionality and business rules from the most complex of large companies (medical, aerospace, legal, insurance) to the simple smaller companies.


My belief is that you always care about the end user/customer. You should always be customer focused and oriented. Only the success of a customer guarantees your, VARs and OEMs success. I wish software engineers and OEMs board of directors take an oath of ethics and law like most professions out there. (i.e. doctors, lawyers, engineers, nurses, accountants,
etc). After all, these professions (customers)depend on these PDM/PLM, ERP and CRM tools. If they are liable, the solution provider should be liable. With that professional liability of either VARs and OEMs, both are responsible and accountable to the impacts to the customer and adhere to a higher organization rules to ensure that accountability and responsibility. I wish we can publically rate VARs and OEMs like doctors references. I don't see that yet. It's just hard sometimes to get possitive feedback from customers due ignoring filling out a survey. Opposite, easy to get feedback from frustrated customersreleasing negative energy withventing out frustration.


It is so hard to know everything, but to take ownership, accountabilityand responsibility is the key to success in any product from both the customer, VARs and OEMs. A fine balancing act between profits versusethics & law. That's my 2 cents.



Best Regards.


Patrick Chin, P.Eng.



In Reply to NacNac MOTT:



Hello


Imagine you are an end users (maybe you are....) you are working on a project to make big changes on your business system (let be it PLM 🙂 ) You work with your consultant, he develops tools, testing are organized and you start implementing the change.


You find a few bizarre things happening. you check on your test server and you can reproduce. Of course, one can say testing was not done properly. Alright but can you really test everything in everything details ? Especially when it is about moving data from one context to another one in the same organisation.


Now, you investigate further and the consultant says that there is a bug in PDMLink 9.1 M050 (exactly the version you use !!!)


https://www.ptc.com/appserver/cs/view/solution.jsp?n=CS12557



Would you expect your consultant to know all the bugs or check if there are any bugs related to Move before ?


Especially that the project is actually only about Moving data (ok create new contexts and ACL).


In other words, should your consultant knows areas of issues in PDMLink that could impact your system and inform you early on in the project by saying. Hold on, you want to do that but beware there are such and such bugs.....



What is your view ?



Thanks


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12-Amethyst
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Hello Patrick



your 2 cents are worse a fortune 🙂


I have never thought of that relation between Software Company and hospital/doctor.


This is a great analogy.


Also adding sense of honour and etic in commercial company as you mentioned is a great idea !!! but not in our culture... not yet.



Thanks a lot for your view. a very interesting one

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