Re: Creo Organization - Your Comments Please

Tmetcalf · ‎Jul 07, 2017

Good day everyone,

This is a suggestion from @TomU and I believe a great opportunity.

What are your thoughts of his ideas?

Best,

Toby

"Creo" and "Windchill" are way to broad and span way to many, completely unrelated products. The current setup causes lots of confusion (Creo Parametric vs. Creo Direct and PDMLink vs. WPA). I would strongly suggest that the top level categories align with the broader PTC product areas.

Creo CAD
Creo Simulate
Creo View
Integrity
Servigistics
Thingworx
Windchill PDM & Process
Windchill Quality

At the next level down, break out into the more popular/common products. Again, users come to the community to interact about a product. I think it's very important that the community reflect this reality (and help get content in the right area.) For example:

Creo CAD

Creo Layout
Creo Illustrate
Creo Options Modeler
Creo Parametric
Other Extensions

Windchill PDM & Process

Windchill FlexPLM
Windchill MPMLink
Windchill PartsLink
Windchill PDM Essentials
Windchill PDMLink
Windchill ProjectLink

Within each of these products we add labels to help separate content by subject matter. For example, here are my suggestions for Creo Parametric labels:

2D Drawings
Modeling
Automation (Relations, Pro/Program, Drawing Program)
Customization (J-Link, VBAPI, Toolkit, etc.)
Sheetmetal
Mechanism
Assembly

Finally, since there are too many PTC products to give every one of them their own discussion board, it might make sense to keep the Creo Extensions as just labels until the traffic justifies a dedicated board. For example:

Creo Advanced Assembly Extension (AAX)
Creo Advanced Framework Extension (AFX)
Creo Advanced Rendering Extension (ARX)
Creo Behavioral Modeling Extension (BMX)
Creo Collaboration Extensions
Creo Complete Machining Extension
Creo Complete Mold Design Extension
Creo Computer-Aided Verification Extension
Creo Design Exploration Extension (DEX)
Creo Distributed Batch Extension
Creo ECAD-MCAD Collaboration Extension
Creo Expert Moldbase Extension
Creo Flexible Modeling Extension (FMX)
Creo Intelligent Fastener Extension (IFX)
Creo Manikin Extension
Creo NC Sheetmetal Extension
Creo Piping and Cabling Extension
Creo Prismatic and Multi-Surface Milling Extension
Creo Production Machining Extension
Creo Progressive Die Extension (PDX)
Creo Reverse Engineering Extension (REX)
Creo Tool Design Extension

(Sorry, I don't know the three letter abbreviation for all of these. Also, it might make sense to drop "Creo" and "Extension" from the label names.)

The end result is something that looks like this (for just Creo CAD):

Creo CAD

Creo Layout (discussion board)
Creo Layout (ideas)
Creo Layout (blog)
Creo Illustrate (discussion board)
Creo Illustrate (ideas)
Creo Illustrate (blog)
Creo Options Modeler (discussion board)
Creo Options Modeler (ideas)
Creo Options Modeler (blog)
Creo Parametric (discussion board)
- 2D Drawings (label)
- Automation (label)
- Modeling (label)
- Administration (label)
Creo Parametric (ideas)
- 2D Drawings (label)
- Automation (label)
- Modeling (label)
- Administration (label)
Creo Parametric (blog)
Other Extensions (discussion board)

StephenW · ‎Jul 07, 2017

Agreed.

+1

Under Creo CAD, also add Creo Elements Direct

They NEED their own home to not be confused with Creo Parametric, there are little to no similarities other than the name.

Tmetcalf · ‎Jul 07, 2017

Thank you @StephenW

dgschaefer · ‎Jul 07, 2017

What about Creo Direct? It's different yet, is it not? Is it considered an extension of Creo Parametric? I imagine the UI and command structure is different than both Parametric & Elements Direct.

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DanAdler · ‎Jul 10, 2017

@StephenW wrote:

Agreed.

+1

Under Creo CAD, also add Creo Elements Direct

They NEED their own home to not be confused with Creo Parametric, there are little to no similarities other than the name.

@StephenW @Tmetcalf I believe Creo Elements/Direct should standalone and not be a part of the Creo CAD community. Besides the Creo name these products have nothing in common. The Creo Elements/Direct community should have its own breakdown into sub topics such as Modeling, Annotation, Model Manager, Administration, etc.

TomU · ‎Jul 10, 2017

It's tough trying to figure out which top level categories we really need on the community. The PTC Products page is very long and doesn't align well with how the community is used. Looking at the amount of "stuff" available under "Creo Elements Direct", it seems like it could be captured with a single discussion board and some product specific labels:

Creo (category)

Creo Elements Direct (discussion board)
- 2D Access (label)
- 3D Access (label)
- Advanced Design (label)
- Advanced Simulation (label)
- BOM Editor (label)
- Cabling (label)
- Drafting (label)
- Suite (label)

Keep in mind that you can search, filter, and subscribe to labels, so if you wanted to only receive information for "Creo Elements Direct Drafting", that would be entirely possible.

Are there other labels you would want? System Administration? Installation? Customization?

DanAdler · ‎Jul 10, 2017

Here is what I would recommend. I welcome other Creo Elements Direct users to chime in.

Creo (category)

Creo Elements Direct (discussion board)
- Modeling (label)
- Annotation (label)
- Drafting (label)
- Model Manager (label)
- System Administration (label)
- Installation (label)
- Customization (label)
- Other (label)

mmaenpaa · ‎Jul 10, 2017

@DanAdler wrote:

Here is what I would recommend. I welcome other Creo Elements Direct users to chime in.

Creo (category)

Creo Elements Direct (discussion board)

Modeling (label)

Annotation (label)

Drafting (label)

Model Manager (label)

System Administration (label)

Installation (label)

Customization (label)

Other (label)

This structure looks acceptable, but a little more specific with the Drafting label since ME-10 does operate differently than Annotation module. Also, add a label for Sheet Metal.

Drafting-ME10 (label)
Sheet Metal (label)

Mike

Creo Elements Direct 18.1

mmaenpaa · ‎Jul 11, 2017

@mmaenpaa wrote:

@DanAdler wrote:

Here is what I would recommend. I welcome other Creo Elements Direct users to chime in.

Creo (category)

Creo Elements Direct (discussion board)

Modeling (label)

Annotation (label)

Drafting (label)

Model Manager (label)

System Administration (label)

Installation (label)

Customization (label)

Other (label)

This structure looks acceptable, but a little more specific with the Drafting label since ME-10 does operate differently than Annotation module. Also, add a label for Sheet Metal.

Drafting-ME10 (label)

Sheet Metal (label)

Mike

Creo Elements Direct 18.1

In addition to previous list, should probably also add where prduct wishes get discussed and voted on.

Creo Elements Direct Ideas

Mike

Creo Elements Direct 18.1

DanAdler · ‎Aug 23, 2017

@TomU @Tmetcalf

Are there still plans to create this Creo Elements Direct Product Area (or Discussion Board? I'm not really sure about the proper terminology)? I've been waiting patiently for this to be implemented and from what I can tell it has not yet. I looked today at the Issues Tracking document and did not see anything regarding this topic. The Creo Elements Direct user community was fairly active on the old site and since the migration the number of posts related to Creo Elements Direct has pretty much slowed to a halt. Hopefully if we get a dedicated area on this new site the users will come back.

Tmetcalf · ‎Aug 23, 2017

Good day @DanAdler

Thanks for asking the question - we are actively working this internally as well as with the Lithium team. We want to make the older content easy to find as well as correctly label it moving forward. We will provide exact updates when we have them.

Thanks again for the question.

Best,

Toby

FriedhelmK · ‎Oct 07, 2017

If you really would take this seriously you had already established the independent area.
Creo elements directModeling earlier CoCreate Modeling is just a stepkind of Creo and is not further supported?

Or not?
Make it or forget it but give us a clear sign.

(Please write info in your Signature) Sysinfo: I use Creo Elements Direct /Drafting, /Modeling and /Modeling Express 8.0 ( formerly CoCreate- SolidDesigner and Drafting or ME10 )

TomU · ‎Jul 10, 2017

@StephenW wrote:

Agreed.

+1

Under Creo CAD, also add Creo Elements Direct

They NEED their own home to not be confused with Creo Parametric, there are little to no similarities other than the name.

I just want to stress that the list above is not exhaustive. It was just a concept of the proposed structure. I do have a list of everything I can post if it will help. That list does include the rest of PTC's products, including Creo Direct.

HamsterNL · ‎Jul 08, 2017

+1 from me also

P.s. why can't I give any kudos in this topic? I can give kudos on all other posts...

Tmetcalf · ‎Jul 08, 2017

Good day @HamsterNL

Not sure why your could not give Kudos before, please try now.

Best,

Toby

KenFarley · ‎Jul 10, 2017

Are the "Labels" that subdivide the major topics something that is assigned by the creator of the particular question? I ask because there are only 2 entries with Manufacturing as their label, when I know there are many more than that. I've asked at least 10 such questions myself. Is the label equivalent to the "Tags" that can be added?

TomU · ‎Jul 10, 2017

No. Labels are created by the site administrator (@Tmetcalf) and are used to separate content. Optimally there would be only one label per post and selecting a label would be mandatory. The end goal is to be able to subscribe, search, and filter content by the specific information you're interested in. For example, say you wanted to post something about 2D drawings in Creo Parametric. Once this is setup, you would post in the "Creo Parametric" discussion board and use the label "2D Drawings".

Creo (Top Level Category)
- Creo Parametric (Product Level Discussion Board)
  - 2D Drawings (Label used within the "Creo Parametric" discussion board to group content)

This structure (once set up) would allow you to search, filter, and subscribe to Creo, Creo Parametric, or just 2D drawings (if you wanted.) Make sense?

DanAdler · ‎Jul 10, 2017

@TomU I like the setup you described and I guess I had misunderstood the use of labels a bit. In this case Creo Element/Direct (as well as all other CAD products) should be a "Discussion Board" in the Creo Category.

@TomUminn wrote:

No. Labels are created by the site administrator (@Tmetcalf) and are used to separate content. Optimally there would be only one label per post and selecting a label would be mandatory. The end goal is to be able to subscribe, search, and filter content by the specific information you're interested in. For example, say you wanted to post something about 2D drawings in Creo Parametric. Once this is setup, you would post in the "Creo Parametric" discussion board and use the label "2D Drawings".

Creo (Top Level Category)

Creo Parametric (Product Level Discussion Board)

2D Drawings (Label used within the "Creo Parametric" discussion board to group content)

This structure (once set up) would allow you to search, filter, and subscribe to Creo, Creo Parametric, or just 2D drawings (if you wanted.) Make sense?

Sorry not sure if I should be adding the Quotes to replies but it is hard to follow converstations in the flat (not indented) view

TomU · ‎Jul 10, 2017

Totally agree... on both points.

KenFarley · ‎Jul 10, 2017

Okay, so with the switch over to Lithium there is a whole pile of "labeling" that needs to be sorted out, to make the posts go to their proper bins. Someone is going to need a lot of coffee.

JariElomaa · ‎Jul 11, 2017

I don't mind any labeling scheme you come up with as long as I can still subscribe an RSS feed on the top categories: Everything on Creo and another with everything on Windchill.

I like to stay informed about everything 🙂