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Help modeling boat hull in sheetmetal

jgiles
1-Visitor

Help modeling boat hull in sheetmetal

Hello I am rather new to working with the sheetmetal feature in creo/pro e and was looking for some help in modeling a boat hull. I am trying to bend the shape below to match the photo attached any help with how to accomplish this would be very much appreciated. The two curved lines should meet and transition into the flat part of the hull bottom.


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DHLewis
12-Amethyst
(To:jgiles)

Joshua,

Others might have some other methods, but I think this application might lend itself to modeling the final desired shape as a solid all formed up and then doing a Sheetmetal Conversion to get the flat state of the model. In the Sheetmetal conversion, you can define the ripping places to get your flat shape.

I too would work with a solid model if all you want is the boat hull and not try fabricating it.

Boundary Blend will make the bottom and some strategic sweeps will make the ribs. Build the side and back wall, then close it up with another boundary blend. If you are lucky, you can then shell the hull. Finish with some additional sweeps and rounds.

If you have good orthographic images of boat, you can use these as underlays for guides.

Here's a start ... http://img.nauticexpo.com/images_ne/photo-g/commercial-jon-boats-side-console-aluminum-20836-7250655.jpg

I intend to actually manufacturer this boat and use these models for cnc programming so i will have to convert them to sheet metal at some point. I think i will try to plot out my cross sections and do a blend.

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:jgiles)

Because you are working with such large panels and very little deformation, you can use flattened quilts to come up with very close results.

Are you planning on merging the sides and back to a single piece and welding the seams?

There is a lot to consider when designing such a hull. You might even think of stopping by the local hobby shop and picking up some brass sheets. You can print on these and cut out your patterns and solder them together. This will give you an idea of what kind of deformation you are dealing with.

yes we build the majority of our larger boats in 4 pieces (2 sides, bottom, and the back). all seams are welded and they have crimped ribs performed on a large metal brake. How does the flattend quilts feature work?

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:jgiles)

There are a lot of options but typically, if you create a datum point along a straight edge, it works without trouble. It uses the plane of that edge at the point's location to determine the projection (unfurl) plane.

It takes a little getting use to and it does make assumptions.

There is also a flatten quilt dedformation to keep in mind. If you need to add planar references, you can add them in 3D using this command.

For your work, this is worth getting some practice time in.

Lots of discussions on the web and here. A good sample... how to develop this?

If you cannot get it to work, just add a rough part file here (full version please!) and we can take a look. You can attach files in the advanced editor.

thanks for the help looks like i have my afternoon planned out now.

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:jgiles)

Do I have a future in boat building ???

This should give you some tips. Creo 2.0 full version attached.

my_skiff.PNG

DHLewis
12-Amethyst
(To:TomD.inPDX)

Antonius,

Yes you can create a true sheetmetal part from a solid using the Conversion. Please see this link:

http://learningexchange.ptc.com/tutorial/410/using-the-conversion-tool

This is what I was talking about with creating the shelled solid and then ripping it where needed.

I did try making the hull I made in sheetmetal. I got it to rip fine, but it did not recognize the bends even though I was very careful about keeping the flat surfaces flat. In general, many of these surfaces in practice are "twisted" and that simple won't work in sheetmetal unless you make the twist in sheetmetal.

I am certainly not suggesting it isn't possible, but for the most part, it is not necessary.

jgiles
1-Visitor
(To:jgiles)

Thank you for your help Antonius i walked through your model and made an attempt to take the same approach but i cannot get the sweeps to work correctly is this due to poor datum selection? I have attached the file if you like to take a look .

TomD.inPDX
17-Peridot
(To:jgiles)

Joshua, sweeps here are a little particular. You have a twist in the side and this means you need a variable section sweep (VSS). That is the last button in the dialog. You also cannot sweep a projected feature. You have to make the line that changes angle through the sweep (not locked to vertical or fixed angle). This means you need not only the origin, but you need a "chain"... a guide curve. Another problem with sweep is the ends can be cut short since they do not extend by default. I extended some to get an intersect for next level geometry.

Having said all that, a boundary blend gets rid of some of this frustration and begins a few others.

In general, I would suggest creating all the "edges" of the boat, somewhat wireframe if you will, to use as reference geometry.

I made master sections; only 3 in my case but more is better; I created edges from swept surfaces with intersects; I created points at strategic corners; and I created sketch planes thought points to get more edges.

Now this takes a lot of the creativity out of the process. But this is not a fiberglass boat so you need some level of workability for the raw panels.

I would say you still need to work out the remaining edges. Boundary blends will manage most of the remainder. Doing the flatten quilts can get tricky but it should get you what you want eventually. It just requires patience.

Here is a quick sheeting of the hull. The red circle shows an area where you are not meeting the two orthographic sketches.

The flatten quilt untwists the side just fine. The side triangle worked easily enough, and so did the bottom that is bent to the nose.

Use sketch references to make sure corners remain coincident from one sketch to the next. If you cannot use references, use relations. If you cannot use relations, use surface intersections to create geometry.

boat1.PNG

And another mismatch here:

boat2.PNG

thanks i will work on trying to fix those issues this evening.

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