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Jul 03, 2019
11:36 AM

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Jul 03, 2019
11:36 AM

Rectangular plate vibration in Lame mode

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to solve a system of partial differential equations corresponding to in-plane vibration of a thin plate in Lame mode. This is one of a papular resonance mode in microelectromechanical systems (MEMS) devices. An example of the displacement profile of Lame mode is shown in the attached worksheet.

For the boundary conditions, the plate is fixed at the four corners, so the displacement U(x,y) and V(x,y) along x and y-axes are zero (in some references, also the center is fixed). On the sides, the normal components of stresses are also zero.

Gathering all the boundary conditions, I'm still unable to proceed with "Pdesolve" routine and get the displacement and natural frequency.

Could anyone make a suggestion for resolving this problem? I highly appreciate your assistance.

Payman

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Jul 17, 2019
01:12 PM

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Jul 17, 2019
01:12 PM

Hi,

This has taken a long time to verify against a commercial software suite Strand 7.

Enclosed is 3 zip files zipped into an over arching archive.

PlateVibration.zip are Mathcad worksheets.

References.zip are PDF references that show how finite elements work and some examples

Strand7_Files.zip is the commercial package files. A free viewer is available at

The files with extension lsl and nfl are log files and are text. nfl standing for natural frequency log shows the results.

In summary the Mathcad worksheets perform natural frequency analysis of a rectangular plate with varying support conditions and can plot mode shapes for each natural frequency.

It has reasonable accuracy.

Enjoy

Terry

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Jul 03, 2019
10:43 PM

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Jul 03, 2019
10:43 PM

Hi,

*" I'm still unable to proceed with "Pdesolve" routine and get the displacement and natural frequency."*

What you describe is two problems. Displacement under load. Vibration at natural frequency where you solve for the frequency but the displacements values at that frequency are unknown but the displacement pattern is known. I notice you define no "loads" for displacement under load.

I have the solution for you for natural frequency supported at the four corners by finite element analysis but it will take a day or so to transcribe from a worksheet that solves for displacement under load.

In terms of your Mathcad solution you need to define "U" and "V".

V is defined as default units of Volt so you get this message.

Cheers

Terry

Jul 04, 2019
03:59 AM

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Jul 04, 2019
03:59 AM

Thank you Terry, I appreciate your help and I'm eager to receive your hints.

All the best,

Payman.

PS: I modified the worksheet and posted the new one.

Jul 04, 2019
06:04 AM

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Jul 04, 2019
06:04 AM

Hi,

Does the reference you are using dimension the thickness of the plate as well as the plate plan dimensions 700 x 10^-6?

Cheers

Terry

Jul 04, 2019
06:15 AM

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Jul 04, 2019
06:15 AM

Hi,

the thickness of the plate is 17 microns and the lengths of the square are 700 microns.

Bests,

Payman

Jul 05, 2019
03:32 AM

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Jul 07, 2019
07:29 AM

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Jul 07, 2019
07:29 AM

Hi,

I need a little more time with this problem.

Finite element analysis was developed for analysis of airplane structures at an American airforce base in the 50's and 60's. It may not be applicable to a 0.7 x 0.7 x 0.017 mm chip.

It works to known solutions when solving for static problems of load and displacement even at such relatively small scale..

It does not seem to work when solving for natural frequencies of vibration against known equation solutions.

I think it is ill conditioned matrices when solving the eigen value and eigen vector solutions.

I am having the same problem on a commercial finite element software package as I am having with the Mathcad implementation. So a little more time investigating is required.

Terry

Jul 09, 2019
08:46 AM

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Jul 09, 2019
08:46 AM

Hi Terry,
Thank you very much for your efforts. I'm a bit confused with lots of examples and articles, yet can't find my way.
Most of the people I know in this field simply use COMSOL for such problems, but I wanted to have an insight into the method for further manipulations.
All the best,
Payman

Jul 12, 2019
01:01 PM

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Jul 12, 2019
01:01 PM

Hi,

You could use the finite difference method instead of pdesolve. In this way the problem is clearer and, then, maybe you could even try using pdesolve. A suggestion how to do it is in the following photo(how to define omega?) :

... the most challenging part comes later.....

Jul 12, 2019
01:21 PM

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Jul 12, 2019
01:21 PM

Hi Topaz,

I truly appreciate you. This is a great help to start. I'll consider this approach in the following days.

Thanks again,

Payman

Jul 17, 2019
01:12 PM

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Jul 17, 2019
01:12 PM

Hi,

This has taken a long time to verify against a commercial software suite Strand 7.

Enclosed is 3 zip files zipped into an over arching archive.

PlateVibration.zip are Mathcad worksheets.

References.zip are PDF references that show how finite elements work and some examples

Strand7_Files.zip is the commercial package files. A free viewer is available at

The files with extension lsl and nfl are log files and are text. nfl standing for natural frequency log shows the results.

In summary the Mathcad worksheets perform natural frequency analysis of a rectangular plate with varying support conditions and can plot mode shapes for each natural frequency.

It has reasonable accuracy.

Enjoy

Terry

Jul 18, 2019
05:38 AM

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Jul 18, 2019
05:38 AM

This is a great job, thank you, Terry.

It will take some time to digest it.

All the best,

Payman

Jul 22, 2019
12:28 PM

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Jul 22, 2019
12:28 PM

Hi,

This file shows two new things

a) How to clamp the top,bottom,left,and right edges of the plate as part of the finite elements.in terms of dx,dy at top of sheet. By altering these boundary restraint codes all the support cases in RICE0523.pdf tables can be achieved.

b) Comparison to RICE0523.pdf tables.

The file uses a poissons ratio of 0.3 so comparison to RICE0523.pdf tables is possible.

b) Comparison to RICE0523.pdf tables is good.

Cheers

Terry

Jul 17, 2019
01:13 PM

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Jul 17, 2019
01:17 PM

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