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1-Visitor
August 14, 2014
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YouTube Tutorials

  • August 14, 2014
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Hey guys and girls,


This may be better presented on ETC and I am sure the gatekeeper will decide and move it if it does. But I am curious how many of you when faced with a design challenge or situationwill go on YouTube and search for a tutorial clip. Is it effective for you?I am toying around with the idea of creating tutorial clips and sharing almost 30 years of experience on Pro. But I am still a working stiff so it would take time out of work schedule to do it. And of course, in the New World Order, nobody pays for training unless they are in a classroom. At my age, to build a following where advertisers would want to run ads on my YouTube channel is highly unlikely. Writing books is futile as many tried that early on in Pro/E world.


I am just asking for opinions if it's worth the time deviation, if anyone else has done it and does it even matter in a world of free labor? Thoughts?


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1-Visitor
August 15, 2014

If it could be combined with a Wiki it would be a winner.


Here's an existing example http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Pro_Engineer


Anyone can edit any page, but there's history of all changes and a comparison tool for all versions to keep things straight, as well as the 'Talk' extension that handles discussions about the content without needing to change the content.


The problem I have in finding things on YouTube is that the search function doesn't have a good way to evaluate the content and YouTube doesn't have a good way to group content from various sources.


With a Wiki driving it, one can have a page on using layer rules that has links to YouTube, a textual description, a link to help files and links to a page about layers. Descriptions of the YouTube videos can provide helpful information that is not available at the time the video is made, such as whether it still applies to later versions or that a new video is applicable or required.


Another great feature of Wikis (there are several code bases for them) is that even if the page organization changes, the pages don't. When an index gets too unwieldly, it can be split to other pages, but other pages that link to the same indexed pages don't have to change. If a page name is changed, the links are automatically updated to use the new name, so the indexes are still good.


My own Wiki (A TikiWiki base) has around 200+ pages for ProE; A page can link to videos, ptc community, PTC/User, other pages, PDFs, Word, Excel, AutoIT, Windows CMD page, et al. It is a fast, terrific interface for organizing that which cannot otherwise be organized. I prefer TikiWiki as it includes a back-links drop down to tell how many pages refer to the one I'm on. Since links are created ahead of page creation, there can be any number of pages that refer to a not-yet-created page. It is interesting to create a MIL spec page and see the dozen or more pages that had references waiting for the page.

2-Explorer
August 15, 2014
Wow - that is a great idea. And not a new one based on how much content you
have. I assume a link to download an example / tutorial part is possible as
well.?



I assume the red links go to an empty page that is looking for content from
you or a contributor? I intend to get an account and check out the great
resource that is there. The site definitely has the potential to be an
extremely valuable tool for learning and reference.



Thanks for sharing that.

-Nate


1-Visitor
August 15, 2014

I actually used to create these when I was at a reseller. We recorded them using one of our GoToMeeting accounts and processed down the recorded "meeting" We got some good feedback from customers on them. All pretty short tips and tricks. You can see them here:


http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAggF1tErABm8oycYJ0qxndA2Dlw0MxqT

1-Visitor
August 15, 2014

Mine is only on my computer; the one on the web is part of the Wikibooks initiative. It would be best if PTC/User or -shudder- PTC set up their own. (The -shudder- is that PTC really likes to control things; like only letting current paying customers participate in certain areas, which would leave me out of participating. The wiki could easily absorb all of Help, SPRs, TPIs. It's like the Blob for information. Or the Borg.)


My own wiki has more than 3700 pages.Some are stubs, some are fairly lengthy. An individual page can absorb the text from almost entire MIL specs.


The wikibooks Wiki only needs an account if you want to keep your IP address off the edits. It also has sandbox feature to make edits and see what they look like without committing. You don't need to sign in to see anything. It appears to be moderated at least by an account "QuiteUnusual". You can look at the view history tab of the first page and see he rejected some change. Click the pages to do a comparison to see the sort of change that was rejected.


If it was an independent Wiki, I can see where individuals would also create their own pages to provide custom views/organization of pages. I'm not sure that individual pages is part of Wikibook's concept of operations. It's something I do in my own. Rather than someone new having to piece together all the documentation for a sub-skill, such a designing gear trains, from general principles, assembly, parts of Mechanica Structure and Mechanica motion, there could be a page that links directly to those pieces that are especially related to the task. Other users of that information would create a link on their own page and so on.



In Reply to Nathan Rollins:


Wow - that is a great idea. And not a new one based on how much content you
have. I assume a link to download an example / tutorial part is possible as
well.?



I assume the red links go to an empty page that is looking for content from
you or a contributor? I intend to get an account and check out the great
resource that is there. The site definitely has the potential to be an
extremely valuable tool for learning and reference.



Thanks for sharing that.

-Nate




x

1-Visitor
August 15, 2014

Great, now I'm responding to myself.


First, Wikibooks uses Wikipedia logins; just tried it, so they probably share Wikipedia rules.


Also -


"An individual page can absorb the text from almost entire MIL specs." is awkwardly worded and should say -


"An individual page can absorb the entire text from most any individual MIL spec."


More things to like - Wikis are manageable. If there are two pages that cover similar information, the contents can be merged and the refering pages corrected to refer to the merged page, unlike a forum format where the same question gets asked over and over with varying answers that may not be followed up or are wrong and can't be corrected. It's a better place to store information. It isn't a substitute for an e-mail exploder which can provide answers for new problems or unique situations.

1-Visitor
August 15, 2014
We (PTC/USER) are interested in providing something like this if there are
authors out there willing to create content and help us organize it. I'll
look through the messages more thoroughly this weekend to catch up on the
conversation. We do have the capability on the portal to set up a Wiki and
getting a Youtube Channel is easy enough to set up.

What I would like input on initially is some perspectives on how to
organize the Wiki and Youtube Channel content. Suggested topic headings and
an organizational structure you all would find useful to set up an initial
framework so we can both populate the information in an organized way and
be able to find it. What kind of attributes or TAGs would you all
recommend? Software (Creo Parametric, Creo View ...) Version? Subject? etc.

Anything else that would help on the setup side?

Thanks for initiating this conversation,

Dan Glenn
PTC/USER Portal Admin
PLM Lead, Solar Turbines Incorporated
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:28 PM, David Schenken <->
wrote:

> Mine is only on my computer; the one on the web is part of the Wikibooks
> initiative. It would be best if PTC/User or -shudder- PTC set up their own.
> (The -shudder- is that PTC really likes to control things; like only
> letting current paying customers participate in certain areas, which would
> leave me out of participating. The wiki could easily absorb all of Help,
> SPRs, TPIs. It's like the Blob for information. Or the Borg.)
>
> My own wiki has more than 3700 pages.Some are stubs, some are fairly
> lengthy. An individual page can absorb the text from almost entire MIL
> specs.
>
> The wikibooks Wiki only needs an account if you want to keep your IP
> address off the edits. It also has sandbox feature to make edits and see
> what they look like without committing. You don't need to sign in to see
> anything. It appears to be moderated at least by an account "QuiteUnusual".
> You can look at the view history tab of the first page and see he rejected
> some change. Click the pages to do a comparison to see the sort of change
> that was rejected.
>
> If it was an independent Wiki, I can see where individuals would also
> create their own pages to provide custom views/organization of pages. I'm
> not sure that individual pages is part of Wikibook's concept of operations.
> It's something I do in my own. Rather than someone new having to piece
> together all the documentation for a sub-skill, such a designing gear
> trains, from general principles, assembly, parts of Mechanica Structure and
> Mechanica motion, there could be a page that links directly to those pieces
> that are especially related to the task. Other users of that information
> would create a link on their own page and so on.
>
>
> In Reply to Nathan Rollins:
>
> Wow - that is a great idea. And not a new one based on how much content you
> have. I assume a link to download an example / tutorial part is possible as
> well.?
>
>
>
> I assume the red links go to an empty page that is looking for content from
> you or a contributor? I intend to get an account and check out the great
> resource that is there. The site definitely has the potential to be an
> extremely valuable tool for learning and reference.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing that.
>
> -Nate
>
>
>
> x
>
13-Aquamarine
August 15, 2014
One thing that makes the PTC videos and other's I've seen hard to follow is they are just a static recording of the full screen.

At the small size they are presented on the web, it's sometimes difficult to follow where the mouse went.

This is where Camtasia excels. You record the whole screen, and then after the fact you can zoom up on any area.
This does two things, it lets the viewer actually see what your picking, and it keeps the viewer interested because the screen isn't static.

Watch any good movie or TV show, there is almost no static shots, the camera is always moving.

Here are some old examples from my ProE Admin 101 talk. Download and unzip to view the AVI files.
1-Visitor
August 15, 2014

Which Camtasia are you using? Free or paid?


I really enjoyed your presentations.


x

13-Aquamarine
August 15, 2014
The paid version.

David Haigh
DeanLong1-VisitorAuthor
1-Visitor
August 17, 2014

I am not sure how todigest all the sudden interest in this thread from the stand point of getting Google and Wiki pages linked with all the automatic content building and coding search tags, linking back to sites and pagesX, Y and Z. Thethread startedwith a somewhat benignquestioning of fellow users on their use of Youtube to learn, gather insight and experience. I concede it is most likely the very hip and knowledgable users are simply lending their experience and insight about what a great web presence could look like. I appreciate that. However, and please forgive the assumption if I am off base but, the thread has taken a detour from the original intent. It was intended to give me an idea if YouTube is still a viable tool and if I created a YouTube Channel, would it be of use to those on the forum if they were to subscribe. I was not looking to build a web empire. I am just a simple, old school,CADMonkey that is looking for a way to give back to a community that I have a heart for and hopefully keep me relevant into my third act of life. And without any hidden agenda, hopefully, as a subscription basegains users, I may be able to earn some ad dollars to help me buy some Depends when the day comes.


So, with that, I have created my first YouTube channel. It's a simple beginning, as I am just starting to learn the in's and out's of the process. As I gather knowledge and a following, I hope to get much better. Thanks to Nate Rollins for being instrumental in thecurrent and future"betterment" of the endeavor altogether. I hope it becomes something useful for you guys.


I encourage feedback from everyone....if it's good, please say so. If it's crap...say that too. I will respect all the feedback and make an effort to get better as I go along.I have always had a problem with disconnected training.Meaning, it never made much sense to me toteach someone how to model a bath tub if theyare tasked with modeling turbines. So,if you have anything specific you want demonstrated with my spin added, let me know. I will do my best to cover it.Keep in mind I am still working for a living so it may take a bit of time to get to, butI promise to do my best.


Thank you guys....and tell all your friends ;o)


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMHXcBmcskIhfsZkDDKOhUg