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Shell Idealization Over the Solid Model in Geometric Element Analysis

YT_4948
13-Aquamarine

Shell Idealization Over the Solid Model in Geometric Element Analysis

Hello @PARTHIBAN_K,
A very nice in-depth explanation indeed. I am facing some issues with creating 2D shell pairs for my assembly due to surfaces and / or some components within the assembly overlapping each other. Because of thus, I can not use "review geometry" feature too as it gives errors. Could you please help me out and guide me with solving these errors? Do I need the model to be remade where the components of its surfaces do not overlap each other? Or can I use some other way to mesh like "thin solid"? Please guide. Thanks in advance 🙂

 

Reference topic: https://community.ptc.com/t5/Analysis/Shell-Idealization-Over-the-Solid-Model-in-Geometric-Element/m-p/446841#M1377

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YT_4948
13-Aquamarine
(To:YT_4948)

Hello,
In relation to the above query, here is a detailed explanation of what I am trying to do with this FEA study. Basically, I am trying to analyze a scenario where a genset is placed onto a trailer and when in transit, how the Genset will move when sudden braking of trailer happens. For a better understanding, please see below a pic showing the model where genset has been placed onto the trailer:

YT_4948_0-1728990326927.png
When preparing the model for FEA, the "review geometry" function for trailer is working fine where it shows the bonded surfaces (default connection kept as bonded). However, for the genset model, I am having following errors when trying to use "review geometry": 

Detected bonded interfaces between several mated solid surfaces.
Check your model for volume interference and/or add a contact interface.

Source: Geometry

YT_4948_1-1728990555684.png

I have rechecked for any components or surfaces overlapping for the genset assembly but could not find no more and I am still having the same issue. I am not sure what it actually means or how to resolve it. Please help me understand and solve this problem. How and when to use contact interfaces?
Please see attached here with the zip file for the model incase you want to give it a try. Any input will be highly appreciated.

Thanks 🙂

 



 

 

YT_4948
13-Aquamarine
(To:YT_4948)

Hello,
I have now managed to solve some of the previous errors mentioned above, but still struggling with the mesh as it can not be created it says. Please see below some snips of the related meshing problem:

YT_4948_0-1729006352034.png

YT_4948_1-1729006389887.png
At present, the geometry tolerance settings are 0.01 mm (Absolute) for all and I am trying to mesh this 3D assembly altogether as shell pairs did not work with this assembly and did not want to waste time on the shells.

Please see attached the latest zip file for the assembly just in case anyone needs to get their hands over it. Any inputs will be highly appreciated.

Thanks 🙂

 

 

Hi YT_4948,

Thank you for your question!

Your post appears well documented but has not yet received any response. I am replying to raise awareness. Hopefully, another community member will be able to help.

Also, feel free to add any additional information you think might be relevant.

 

Best regards,

Catalina
PTC Community Moderator
YT_4948
13-Aquamarine
(To:YT_4948)

Hello all,
moving ahead and making progress with this, I have now simplified the genset floor model to even more extent eliminating the floor and just keeping the side rails with the lifting lugs on the sides of the genset. Now, we have a flat surface in contact with the trailer bed and I have used contact interfaces with assigning static and dynamic friction values for steel - steel. This helped me got rid of various errors in relation to the genset model but the trailer has still got issues with meshing. As it is made up of a lot of components in contact with each other however, they are not very easy to mesh even though I have now changed the accuracy levels to desired as suggested in the previous errors. This was done at the part level for all components that showed a significant difference between accuracy and tolerance values.

However, the trailer now with more and more components is facing an issue shown below when I try to mesh it.

YT_4948_0-1729238440382.png
Finally it says, only a partial set of elements were created and the mesh never gets completed.

Is there any other way of using a simplified trailer representation rather than this current complex trailer assembly? I was thinking maybe a flat bed or just a plane at the bottom of this genset base could work for the fraction as intended but it would not be as accurate as the weight of the genset will then not be accurately acting on the trailer with its loading capabilities? 

Any other way if anyone could think of please guide. Any inputs will be highly appreciated. Attached is the zip model for the latest assembly.

Thanks 🙂

 

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