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What are you guys doing for library parts?

CM10
1-Newbie

What are you guys doing for library parts?

What are you guys doing for library parts, in particular fasteners? Are you buying the PTC library or someone elses? Are you creating your own? Do you just download the (mostly junk) files from vendors (McMaster-Carr, etc.)? Are the files coming in filling out your BOM's correctly?
I've done fastener libraries per the correct ASME specs for 2 different companies now, the latest has worked out really well. It's a lot of work, but they work far better than anything else we've tried because they are tailored for our BOM repeat regions.
Any thoughts on this? Think there's a market for custom fastener libraries tailored to a particular company's needs instead of the typical "one-size-fits-all" fastener library?
Thanks!

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I've ALWAYS thought there was a market for someone to come along and
create a "standard fastener" library and then figure out how to run
Pro/BATCH to customize it for specific customers so that all the layers
and parameters are all appropriate. We used to have a mapkey to strip
all the layers and rebuild them as well as one to add our standard
parameters so our BOM on our template all fill in correctly for
downloaded models but I just haven't had any free time to sort them out
in WF4...

One simple thing you can do is NOT download models in NATIVE
Pro/ENGINEER!!! This allows you to insert the translated file (step is
my favorite, but iges or neu should work just as well...) into your
start part which should already HAVE all your layers and parameters
correctly defined.

As for how we handle fasteners and orings and other purchased parts, we
basically have a small directory of "stock parts", but there is no
standard practice... One of my big pet peeves is when someone creates
an assembly with "downloaded" models of fasteners that are all surfaces
and show all the cuts on the thread... I do concept work on fairly
large assemblies and I really don't need to be wasting memory with these
types of models when a simple revolve feature would work just fine...

On a side note, another practice I'm trying to push around here is to
actually create the standard TAP DRILL feature at the end of fastener
models. It's a nice way to see exactly what the machining would look
like which is particularly handy for me and all my layout work AND
especially since it's mostly very high pressure hydraulics where having
the tap drill break thru could be very bad... Once they need to be
released, it's easy to simply suppress the feature....


Paul Korenkiewicz
FEV , Inc.
4554 Glenmeade
Auburn Hills, MI, 48326-1766

BenLoosli
23-Emerald II
(To:CM10)

body{font-family: Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px}I have been the 'librarian' at a couple of companies with both Pro/Engineer and Unigraphics and we found it easier to create the libraries with our information for the BOM tables.

CM10
1-Newbie
(To:CM10)

I'm kind of thinking there might be a market as well. For companies that don't have a good, consistant set of library parts I've seen multiple models of the same fastener that don't even look the same, if you can find the size you need at all. If not, the user will typically model up something quick and dirty just to get the drawing out, usually not even close to spec. Then you assembly and dwg look all funky because 2 fasteners of the same nominal size but different length have been modeled by 2 different people and are sitting next to each other and look TOTALLY different. Generally they make them as stand-alone parts also because they don't want to take the time to make a table (Hey, it's not MY job!) so the fasteners can't be swapped out easily, and all notes referencing the geometry and item bubbles in the dwg will fail. Plus, even if the parts are modelled correctly, usually the parameters for BOM nomenclature are filled out differently so the BOM looks funny. They usually have no predetermined constraints either, and the orientation is always different. Ugh! Then there's the issue, as mentioned, of the parts brought in as import files, usually done by simply opening the file and saving it instead of inserting the data from file into a start part so you get all your layers, relations, and parameters.

I'd love to start doing this for companies. I don't think management realizes how much time and money could be saved, and how much more consistant things could be in their Pro/E world. Hmmmm......

In Reply to Paul Korenkiewicz:

I've ALWAYS thought there was a market for someone to come along and
create a "standard fastener" library and then figure out how to run
Pro/BATCH to customize it for specific customers so that all the layers
and parameters are all appropriate. We used to have a mapkey to strip
all the layers and rebuild them as well as one to add our standard
parameters so our BOM on our template all fill in correctly for
downloaded models but I just haven't had any free time to sort them out
in WF4...

One simple thing you can do is NOT download models in NATIVE
Pro/ENGINEER!!! This allows you to insert the translated file (step is
my favorite, but iges or neu should work just as well...) into your
start part which should already HAVE all your layers and parameters
correctly defined.

As for how we handle fasteners and orings and other purchased parts, we
basically have a small directory of "stock parts", but there is no
standard practice... One of my big pet peeves is when someone creates
an assembly with "downloaded" models of fasteners that are all surfaces
and show all the cuts on the thread... I do concept work on fairly
large assemblies and I really don't need to be wasting memory with these
types of models when a simple revolve feature would work just fine...

On a side note, another practice I'm trying to push around here is to
actually create the standard TAP DRILL feature at the end of fastener
models. It's a nice way to see exactly what the machining would look
like which is particularly handy for me and all my layout work AND
especially since it's mostly very high pressure hydraulics where having
the tap drill break thru could be very bad... Once they need to be
released, it's easy to simply suppress the feature....


Paul Korenkiewicz
FEV , Inc.
4554 Glenmeade
Auburn Hills, MI, 48326-1766

Does anyone use this?
CM10
1-Newbie
(To:CM10)

Hey Jim,

Yep, it's the same library I remember. I checked and the male fasteners have no threads (Grip length?, We don' need no stinkin' grip length!), and I seem to remember nothing really matched the ASME specs they were supposed to. I'm going to look at other vendors and see what's out there. Maybe there's a market for custom geometry-based family tables customized for specific companies.

I agree, McMaster-Carr models of fasteners are awful! They put in features that at first look like threads, but are simply angled cuts. The look like right-hand threads from one side, left-hand from the other. Maybe that was the plan?!?! So, if they're going to bog down your system with needless geometry, why not at least make it right?

There's a Plexus in Littleton, CO, thatI've been trying to get into but so far no luck. They had a few openings lately but wanted a more "artsy" background for the Industrial Designer job I was after. Bummer, as it looked like a good place to work. Do you like it?

Frank

In Reply to Jim Tierney:

Does anyone use this? http://www.3dmodelspace.com/prolibrary.html



It's the link to catalogs within WF. If you select the connections tab
when looking at the model tree, there is a catalog link. That gives you
a link to 3dmodelspace. From there, Pro/Library is at the top.



You can then drive down and select any hardware you want in native pro/e
format. I think these are the files that used to be (or still is)
purchased from PTC.



One example:



http://www.catalogds.com/db/service?domain=ptc.english&command=locate&ca
tegory=type_ab%2C_type_i_cross_recessed_fillister_head_tapping_screws



McMaster Carr surfaced parts are the death of a large assembly.



Jim
KenL.Nunn
4-Participant
(To:CM10)


I have created a family table of metric Unbrako fasteners - capscrews, flat-head capscrews, button-head capscrews. Send me an email if you would like the generic part files.

It's probably "over the top" for a lot of applications as they are quite detailed so they can slow dowm large assemblies, but I do a lot of rendering & the detail makes a difference.
Images attached.

Ken L. Nunn, Managing Director
Southways Consulting Pty Ltd
P: +61.3.9561-0372 F: 9561-0374 M: +61.427-454-511
ken@southways.com.au

dconnor
1-Newbie
(To:CM10)

We use the following, and found it very easy to customise

KenL.Nunn
4-Participant
(To:CM10)

ProE users …

Due to the quantity of users requesting the files, I have loaded them onto filefactory and they can be download on demand. The link is

<u>http://www.filefactory.com/file/a0736ee/n/091030a_Southways_Fasteners_zip</u>

Note …

The UNC file is only as an example of how to populate the family table – it is rare that I need imperial fasteners. I would be grateful if updated UNC files can be sent back to me (assuming someone populates them). Please recognise the effort that has gone into these by acknowledging the author when publishing.

And of course there is the obligatory:

No warranty, liability or responsibility is offered or assumed with these files. By using them, you accept full responsibility and “Hold Harmless” the author & any associated entities.

Ken L. Nunn, Managing Director
Southways Consulting Pty Ltd
P: +61.3.9561-0372 F: 9561-0374 M: +61.427-454-511

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