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Poor meshing results - Tesselation in Flow Analysis

AAI
4-Participant
4-Participant

Poor meshing results - Tesselation in Flow Analysis

I am getting very poor meshing results. Some regions are plenty of spurious holes where no mesh is defined, and I end up with many subfeatures. I believe this issue is a consequence of using a coarse tessellation, but I find no way of changing it.

 

In fact, the help does not mention the difference between "Simulation" and "Regular" tessellation. I have found that regular tessellation does not produce interfaces between contact regions and is, therefore, useless for heat transfer problems. While the regular tessellation allows changes in "chord heights" and "angle controls", the simulation tessellation does not. It gives a rather coarse result that I need to refine.

 

Please, help. 

 

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AAI
4-Participant
4-Participant
(To:gfraulini)

Thanks. Here is a couple of pictures where you can see the spurious holes as well as the result of the coarse tessellation. Although my surface is cylindrical, the tessellation has produced a polyhedrical surface that is apparent especially on the second picture. 

image.png

 image.png 

The process I am trying to simulate consists of a chamber filled with argon, a heating element that increases the temperature of the gas, a fan that forces the convection of the argon, and a load to be heated. I am using the turbulent  flow with heat exchange. I am looking for the temperature of the load for a given power on the heating element, and also for the temperature on the boundaries of the chamber, where I have set a convective condition for heat dissipation. 

 

One thing I mentioned above is that tessellation cannot be changed. There is a difference between what the help shows and what actually appears on the menu where the options "Chord Heights" and "Angle

Controls" are not available.

Actual menu in Flow AnalysisActual menu in Flow AnalysisAs shown on the helpAs shown on the help

Regards,

AAI

 

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gfraulini
17-Peridot
(To:AAI)

Could you share with us some pic?
Which kind of analysis/results are you getting for?
Bye

AAI
4-Participant
4-Participant
(To:gfraulini)

Thanks. Here is a couple of pictures where you can see the spurious holes as well as the result of the coarse tessellation. Although my surface is cylindrical, the tessellation has produced a polyhedrical surface that is apparent especially on the second picture. 

image.png

 image.png 

The process I am trying to simulate consists of a chamber filled with argon, a heating element that increases the temperature of the gas, a fan that forces the convection of the argon, and a load to be heated. I am using the turbulent  flow with heat exchange. I am looking for the temperature of the load for a given power on the heating element, and also for the temperature on the boundaries of the chamber, where I have set a convective condition for heat dissipation. 

 

One thing I mentioned above is that tessellation cannot be changed. There is a difference between what the help shows and what actually appears on the menu where the options "Chord Heights" and "Angle

Controls" are not available.

Actual menu in Flow AnalysisActual menu in Flow AnalysisAs shown on the helpAs shown on the help

Regards,

AAI

 

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cfdgeek
9-Granite
(To:AAI)

Hello AAI,

 

There is a way to change simulation tessellation resolution.  You can define a global environment variable 

CFD_MESH_CONTROL_PERCENT

 

By default it is 4, please try 0.5. It is a percentage of overall model size. The smaller the finer.  But you need to restart creo parametric to take the changes. We will expose this as a parameter of tessellation in the future version.

 

For conjugate heat transfer, you can not switch to regular tessellation as you mentioned that there is no interface created between bodies. To reduce the subfeatures, you can also decrease the min cell size. Please email us if you got further questions we really want to help you. Thanks.

 

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AAI
4-Participant
4-Participant
(To:cfdgeek)

It worked, although there are still some minor flaws in the mesh.

I am happy to hear that this control parameter will be exposed.

Thanks for your reply. 

cfdgeek
9-Granite
(To:AAI)

Hi AAI,

 

Glad to hear that. We will add that control as a parameter very soon.  Please just message any additional questions regarding creo flow analysis. Thanks.

 

Lei

 

NickD
5-Regular Member
(To:cfdgeek)

Can you please clarify what you mean by "soon" and "very soon", as ~2.5 years later its still not there in v7.0.4.0

cfdgeek
9-Granite
(To:NickD)

Could you please pass your request to PTC? It is creo parametric function. It is not control by me. I'm also waiting for it.

NickD
5-Regular Member
(To:cfdgeek)

I will do that as part of my wrap up from a current evaluation.

But why did you write "We will add that control as a parameter very soon", if its not up to you or your company ?

cfdgeek
9-Granite
(To:NickD)

So what, I'm waiting for the same thing as you at that time. I was told it will be ready very soon. The current way to specify tessellation resolution is working well. what is exactly your problem here? 

NickD
5-Regular Member
(To:cfdgeek)

My problem is that you posted information that isn't (yet) true, and phrased it in a way that suggested you were in control or at least influencing the implementation.  Unfortunately, since you did not edit it or post an update, it is misleading, and it leads people to look for a setting which is not there. 

cfdgeek
9-Granite
(To:NickD)

Please use CFD_MESH_CONTROL_PERCENT before we get more controls from creo parametric. Please report your request to ptc. Thanks.

bduncan
13-Aquamarine
(To:cfdgeek)

Thanks,and I have some questions ,I want to send some videos and creo parametric documents could you show us your e-mail?

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