Bummer! Thanks Andrew, you still da MAN! I think I might understand why on that VSS section relation problem I was having that the "known" dim worked and the "ref" dim didn't: is it because a ref dim is calculated in the section only at the START of the trajectory (why the sketch itself seemed to work) and not at every point along the origin trajectory as a known dim is? Moot point, I know, but that's my theory! I will, for sure. I owe you a couple cold ones, er, warm ones already! Never thought I'd say this as a (formerly?) very patriotic American, but I'm getting very tired of some things here on a personal vs. governmental level. Hell, at this point, I'm almost tempted to throw my career away as long as I can get out.....