Ok, here goes KevinB:
The only one I've included that is newish, is the "coiled_spiral". These parts were ALL made from a single tragecctory, except for the very ends of "andys_coil. Perhaps you can tell me how I got the trajectory (itself) of the "coiled_spiral" to double back on itself 4 times without failing? 
Have fun!
Remember: Age and treachery (aka: Knowledge) will always trump youth and exuberace.
Well, cratchedy Frank of 47 birthdays with 15 years of Pro/E, 10 years of AutoCAD, and some Wavefront, you've taken this completely off topic. This discussion has never been about my skill being greater than yours.
However, I would enjoy looking at these files. I'll give an honest try at explaining them or recreating them--I'm sure I'll learn something in the process--and then if I fail I hope that your ego has been massaged to the point that you feel better. This is where I'll insert a smiley face so that I can display my good humor .
Remember: Perspective defines reality. Despite age one can change their perspective.
Hey, that's crOtchety. Just bustin' yer ballz kiddo. But, as a point, don't quickly dismiss us "Olde Guys" so quickly. I always looked to my elders to learn. One guy I particularly admired (sadly no longer with us) was in his late 60's when I knew him in my early 30's. He was one of the sharpest Engineers I've ever worked with, and was always eager to learn new things (Ansys) at his age, yet had a wealth of skills, knowledge, and experience no younger Engineer could match. It's easy to dismiss "resistant to stupid changes" as "resistant to ALL change. After many years on the system, if I truly felt it was a step up, I'd say so. Sadly, not.
I'm challenging you to prove that the new way is better, and that these new ghastly interfaces "teach" you more. 
Hey, I'll be the first to say new motorcycles, cars, and audio/video products are better, because they truly ARE better, not just new thus better.
Enjoy 'em with a caveat: Some of these techniques I will not divulge here, but via e-mail with the proviso that they stay with you. Some, well, I'm gonna keep as "trade secrets" as I one day plan to do more teahing and consulting.
Reality defines reality. Perspective is for Architectural dwgs!
Fetid dingo's kidneys? After struggling with it more, I'd be more apt to say "rotting elephant's bollocks".
The ribbon tabs are KILLING me. I keep clicking on things and then having to remember, "Oh Gee, I wonder what tab THAT command is under?". Plus, the wasted real estate up at the top of the screen is absurd. Most of these tabs use less than HALF the space allocated for the ribbon, PLUS you still have the menu on the top. what a waste of space. And minimizing the ribbon simply means that the 3 or 4 line status bar is now covered up when the ribbon comes to the front.
And, one nice thing you USED to be able to do when editing a large set of dwg notes, was the ability to just click in the field of the dwg to have the notes on the dwg sheet update to what the editor had to check for clearance with views. This is now gone. You click in the field of the dwg, and it wipes out ALL your changes. So now, you have to keep hitting "Ok" and getting out of the editor, and back in. Before you could do it on the fly. Totally maddening.
I guarantee, if PTC hired any of us experienced users to redefine the GUI (Grotesque User Interface), almost EVERYONE would like it. New AND old users.
Hi Grahame...
Yes, yes... I feel your frustration! What PTC was trying to do was to give you "tab context" operations on your right mouse button. That's why when you're on the Annotate tab, you have things like "Custom Symbol" on your RMB. That would be the appropriate tab to be able to drop a new symbol, right?
I agree they missed the goal... wide and to the left ($&#%$^&**!@ Billy Cundiff !! 
). Sorry, Ravens reference.
Anyway as I was saying... they missed the goal a little but that's what they were going for. However, there is a bit of hope for you. Read the response I sent to Frank below. AND remember the ALT trick!! You can move a view, dimensions, notes, or symbols from ANY TAB if you hold the ALT key. Hold ALT and you'll be able to pick a dimension and move it no matter what tab is active.
Also... notice when you hit ALT, letters will pop up underneath all the tabs. These are hotkeys. Try using some of them to regain lost speed. I know its a tough slog to get through the first week or so... but really if you push through it you should be able to recover.
Take care..
-Brian
lol... I guess I'm going to have to cry "Uncle".
I don't think Dan M. would blame me for abandoning my post while you and Frank are storming the ramparts with salient points. I can only defend the thing and put a positive spin on it for so long.
Like I said, I don't really like the thing at all. I'm just trying to give you some small glimmer of hope that you can work around it. I don't know why things have been made so difficult. I don't know what was wrong with being able to select everything all the time. I don't even know why we can't add functions (or remove them) from the RMB. Other modern software products give you some of these capabilities. They also embrace user customization to a level unheard of in PTC products.
In ALIAS software (I think it's ALIAS /Wavefront), users came up with their own interface that became so popular, it overtook the default layout. Users did that. They reinvented the interface to make it easier for them to use. If PTC allowed us to do that, we could move things where we wanted... and they'd effectively blunt all criticisms.
Think about it... if everyone could have it their way (like Burger King ) this entire thread would be dead and we'd be talking about all the cool things the software can do... instead of drawing attention to the things it struggles with. If PTC managed to give us the equivalent of "skins" to change the interface as we saw fit, the planet could be at peace. Well, at least Planet PTC could be at peace!
Just a thought... as I said ... I'm running for the hills! Abandon ship! lol
Take care...
-Brian
Thanks Brian, I hope I didn't wear you down 
I'm just blowing off steam for the most part - I appreciate your efforts. I have already done some of the things you suggested re menus, but I will try the rest out in the next few days.
A few days? We've been using Creo since last August
I will admit though to not using drawing mode very often. We don't do detail drawings, just 6-view assemblies with a BOM and overall dimensions.
"BREAK" tool is circled in red.
What did you find in the Sketch tab that would break extension lines?
I know you want the ribbon gone, but if you have to use it then would you like it more if there were no icons?
Alright enough of this nonsense... this topic has been beaten to death.
It's hard to find good screen shots of the old Pro/E... but I found a couple. The slides below pretty much lay out the argument in black and white... if you think the new menus are better, then so be it. Let's just agree to disagree. I believe Frank's point that the easiest "glyphs" to understand are words themselves carries weight. This is merely my humble opinion.
Even utilizing the buttom customizations as Kevin suggested, the screen real estate consumed by the new menus is unacceptable in my view. Even with the icons removed, there are very large gaps around the command labels... this is wasted space.
What would help? If I could put the ribbon VERTICALLY along the left hand edge of the screen, remove the icons, and eliminate the large gaps then that would help some. But if I were to be able to do this... what would my screen look like???
Answer? MY SCREEN WOULD LOOK LIKE A &*#$%^%!@# CASCADING MENU!
: Deeeeep Breath : Ahhhh.... now I feel better.
Regards,
-Brian
Awesome reply as usual Brian....and, also as usual, far more polite than mine. but then, I've never been accused of that.
As another long-time advanced customer, I also feel to the 2 numbered points Brian mentions. I've spend hours of my personal time showing a guy the issues with windchill......only to be left in a vacuum.
If PTC knew the ribbon was a total pain, why didn't they catch that in Beta-testing? Or are WE the Beta-testers (a la Microsoft)? PTC could have had any of us come in and look at it, and tell them before release it was garbage.
I, for one, WANT my cascading menus back. I TOTALLY agree they are faster and easier to understand. I've been a loyal user and defender of Pro/E for many years over the alternatives, and these GUI's make it near impossible.
As for "why isn't everyone on the latest and greatest" comment. I don't make those decisions, CORPORATE execs and IT guys do, and that's common in ALL companies in the real world.
P.S. How do I get the "no icons" view? I set: "iconify_entire_pro" to "no", and the ribbon still has some icons, and some icons and words. weird.
Thanks!
