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Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

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Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi all,

New Creo Parametric user here, with about a year and a half of experience on Pro-E Wildfire. My company prints most of it's drawings on regular 8.5"x11" paper, and that means there really isn't much room for the thick lines that seem to be the default when printing a drawing. I've tried to find my way into the config file to edit the pen width, but so far I've had no luck.

Also, I'm trying to insert my company's logo into the table that I'm using for title block. Is there any way to insert an image into a table?

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Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Sean...

The best way to "thin out" the lines is using a pen table file. There's another thread that covers some of the basics of using and configuring this file. The link to that thread is here:

If you read this and still have questions... ask them here and I'll do my best to answer.

Also, unfortunately there is no good way to add an image to a table. But I always have to hedge my bets telling someone "no" when it comes to Creo. There's USUALLY a way to do what you're asking... it's just not always the best way or the most straightforward way.

To be truthful, you can add an image onto your drawings and formats. Under the Layout tab, go to the Object command (in the Insert subtab). This inserts an OLE (object linking and embedding) item into the drawing Here you can import many types of graphics and other file types into your Pro/E drawings. Be warned that this feature can be a bit wonky. However, as you can see below, you CAN import a graphic this way. Most people opt to import their company logo and re-create it (or copy it) to a Pro/E symbol. This can be added to a format or table cell much more directly than by using OLE.

Just FYI, here's a quick graphic showing an Excel spreadsheet with a GIF graphic being imported to a Pro/E drawing. Click the image for a larger view if necessary.

ole_sample.png

Hope this helps.

Thanks!

-Brian

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Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Sean...

The best way to "thin out" the lines is using a pen table file. There's another thread that covers some of the basics of using and configuring this file. The link to that thread is here:

If you read this and still have questions... ask them here and I'll do my best to answer.

Also, unfortunately there is no good way to add an image to a table. But I always have to hedge my bets telling someone "no" when it comes to Creo. There's USUALLY a way to do what you're asking... it's just not always the best way or the most straightforward way.

To be truthful, you can add an image onto your drawings and formats. Under the Layout tab, go to the Object command (in the Insert subtab). This inserts an OLE (object linking and embedding) item into the drawing Here you can import many types of graphics and other file types into your Pro/E drawings. Be warned that this feature can be a bit wonky. However, as you can see below, you CAN import a graphic this way. Most people opt to import their company logo and re-create it (or copy it) to a Pro/E symbol. This can be added to a format or table cell much more directly than by using OLE.

Just FYI, here's a quick graphic showing an Excel spreadsheet with a GIF graphic being imported to a Pro/E drawing. Click the image for a larger view if necessary.

ole_sample.png

Hope this helps.

Thanks!

-Brian

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Brian, thank you very much for your help. However, I don't think the link pasted into your reply - leastways, I can't see it using Chrome or IE.

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Sean...

I meant to insert a link... I must have forgotten it. There are several threads on this site which mention how to use a pen table file. None of the threads is really all-encompassing. You have to dig for the data and research a bit. If you do a search for "pen_table_file", this will pull up most of those threads. "Pen_table_file" is the config.pro option used to re-load special pen mappings to control thickness so it's a term often found in threads discussing methods of tweaking print lines.

I have a comprehensive document I've developed explaining how pen tables work and how to modify line thicknesses. It has some proprietary data in it... so I have to strip that out before I can repost it here. I'll edit the document and repost it this weekend. In the meantime, definitely review the other threads to get some background. If you have any questions after reading, just ask.

Thanks!

-Brian

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Sean...

I've attached the document I was referring to. Pen tables aren't something we use all the time but having all the documentation in one place was a help for us. Please review the attached document and ask any questions you have. I've also attached a very, very basic pen table file for your use. I've attached the spreadsheet used to make the chart, too incase that's of use.

Thanks!

-Brian

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Brian,


All of this is helping immensely; the only problem now is that I have no idea how to actually access the table. I don't know how to open the config file, I'm trying to find it and honestly have no idea how I would do so. Everything that I've seen tells me exactly what to do when I find it...but I don't know where it is.

<EDIT>
Picked up a book today that shows me how to do so and now I'm feeling quite dumb, which I kind of expected. I should be all set, thank you so much for your help.

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Dont feel dumb, you could write a thesis on setting line weights in ProE - Im not sure anyone at PTC knows how it works because its so convoluted and archane.

To add to what Brian has provided, be aware that LINE_STYLE_STANDARD in the Drawing Options File is a game changer - it affects text color

LINE_STYLE_STANDARD=std_ansi: text color= letter_color (detail view boundaries also altered)

LINE_STYLE_STANDARD=std_iso,std_jis,std_din: text color=edge highlite_color

This can be quite useful if you want to control text seperately from everthing else lumped into letter_color

So if you are in an ISO environment, text is controlled by edge_highlite_color and in WF5 this means bright pink text on screen - clearly never tested by a human.

I thought when PTC said they were re-writing the drawing side in WF5, all this rubbish would be cleaned up and corrected. Instead they recycled it; CREO just put lipstick on it. Combine it with PDFs and youve got a dogs breakfast thats gone on right thru WF and now into CREO.

Whoevers managing the drawing side of things hasnt done users any favours - the drawing ribbon behaviour adds to this mess as well.

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Brian,

I have yet to figure this out so maybe you can help me.

Where do you put the pen table at? What config settings do I add in order for this work? Do I print to .pdf or save as Quick Export (.pdf)?

I'm using Creo 2.0 by the way.

Thanks,

Kaci

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

hi,

pen_table_file <path_without_spaces>

or

pen_table_file <"path with spaces but in quotes">

Example:

pen_table_file C:\ptc\creo\configs\table.pnt

I think you'll get better results while exporting drawings to PDF directly in Creo 2.0, rather than using a PDF printer.

Here is few more config options to look at:

use_8_plotter_pens yes

use_software_linefonts no

interface_quality 2

pdf_use_pentable yes

cgm_use_pentable yes

plot_linestyle_scale 1

Test these out, and see what you can get. If I remember correctly for PDF exports the interface_quality has to be set to 0 to get good results.

Re: Drawing Issues - Line Weights and Images in Tables

Hi Kaci,

to create PDF file, use Save a Copy command (Creo Parametric 2.0) and select *.pdf filetype.

Martin Hanak


Martin Hanák