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Ultimate Creo Parametric Workstation 2023/2024

M_C_Anderson
10-Marble

Ultimate Creo Parametric Workstation 2023/2024

As a thought experiment, what would the ultimate Creo Parametric machine look like?

 

I don't mean what would be a good, optimized, practical laptop or desktop PC. I mean what no compromise, unlimited budget, high-end workstation would crush anything Creo Parametric could do?

 

In the list below, I'm basically just picking the fastest things I know about, but are there any actual numbers out there? Would a sufficiently high end Xeon or Threadripper surpass the 14th gen i9? Would a 4090 overtake the A6000 despite being a "productivity" workload? Would a Xeon or Threadripper, despite have slower single core performance, be worth it for the increased max memory (2TB vs 192 GB) when opening extremely large top level assemblies (>15,000 unique parts, >1,000,000 instances)? 

 

  • CPU: Intel Core i9-14900K (6.0 GHz Turbo on 8 P-cores, 4786 MOps/sec single thread perf)
  • GPU: NVIDIA RTX A6000 (48 GB GDDR6 w/ ECC)
  • RAM: 192 GB DDR5 5600 MT/s ECC
  • SSD: PCIe Gen5 M.2 NVMe, >10,000 MB/s read/write

I would love to hear what the community's "dream build" would be, or better yet, what insane workstations you may have actually built and can talk about.

 

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Michael
13-Aquamarine
(To:M_C_Anderson)

Designing the "ultimate" Creo Parametric workstation for 2023/2024, especially one with no budget constraints and aiming for peak performance, involves considering several key components. Here are some things to consider…


CPU
- **High-End Option:** Intel Core i9-14900K is a strong choice for its high single-thread performance, crucial for CAD software like Creo Parametric.
- **Alternative:** High-end Xeon or AMD Ryzen Threadripper might offer advantages in multi-threaded tasks and larger memory support. This could be beneficial for handling extremely large assemblies with over 15,000 unique parts and 1,000,000 instances, as the increased memory support (up to 2TB) can significantly improve performance in these scenarios.


GPU
- **Primary Choice:** NVIDIA RTX A6000 with 48 GB GDDR6 and ECC. It's a professional-grade card designed for workstations, offering reliability and performance in 3D rendering and computational tasks.
- **Alternative:** NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090, although primarily aimed at gaming, can still offer superior performance in some scenarios. However, the A6000's ECC memory is a significant advantage for professional workloads, ensuring data integrity.


RAM
- **Maximum Capacity:** For the ultimate build, consider maximizing the RAM beyond 192 GB, especially if the chosen CPU supports it. ECC (Error-Correcting Code) memory is preferred for its ability to prevent data corruption.

 

Storage
- **Primary Storage:** PCIe Gen5 M.2 NVMe SSDs, offering read/write speeds over 10,000 MB/s, will significantly enhance data transfer rates, improving overall system responsiveness and reducing load times for large files.


Additional Considerations
1. **Cooling System:** A high-end liquid cooling system to maintain optimal temperatures under heavy loads.
2. **Power Supply:** A robust power supply unit (PSU) to support these high-end components reliably.
3. **Motherboard:** A motherboard that supports all these components, including sufficient PCIe lanes, RAM slots, and M.2 slots.
4. **Chassis:** A spacious, well-ventilated chassis to accommodate these components and ensure good airflow.

 

Real-World Usage Insights

- It would be invaluable to hear from the community about their experiences with high-end workstations in actual Creo Parametric usage scenarios.
- Specific use-cases, like handling large assemblies or complex rendering tasks, can provide insights into which components offer the most tangible performance benefits.

- Many parts of the application and not multithreaded

- There is a big shift to move towards Voxel based simulations. Which will require lots of GPU power


The ultimate Creo Parametric workstation should balance between high single-thread performance (for CAD operations) and multi-thread capabilities (for simulations and rendering).
- High memory capacity and fast storage are crucial for handling large datasets.
- Real-world usage data from similarly specced systems would offer invaluable insights into the practicality and performance gains of such a setup.

Michael P Bourque
Boston Regional User Group

Why did you regurgitate my question and choices with an AI generated response?

Michael
13-Aquamarine
(To:M_C_Anderson)

I’m doing my own research and training an AI model on all things Creo related. I edited it down and read it and felt it would be helpful. Sorry. If you’re interested in giving it a test it’s quite possible. I liked your question and want a dream system too. I have the rtx4090 and i9 5.7ghz I over clock. Works very good. But it’s more gaming oriented. 

peace. 

Michael P Bourque
Boston Regional User Group

We recently bought a custom machine. Below are the specs.

 

  • CPU – 13900KF 5.8GHz - we didn't want the small risk associated with a water cooled system
  • RAM - 64GB DDR5 (type and speed are important)
  • Video - Quardo RTX A4000
  • HD - PCI-e SSD 3500 MB/s write speed

This replaced a 8 core Xeon 3.7 Ghz machine with 32Gb ram. 

 

We did before and after performance testing and on average tasks on the new machine took 46% if the time that the old machine took. Creo is largely a single thread program. The most important thing is to get the fastest single thread processor that you can buy.

 

More benchmarks are here:

https://creosite.com/index.php/ocus-benchmark/ocus-benchmark-v7-result-table/ 

mwa
14-Alexandrite
14-Alexandrite
(To:Chris3)

You use this system now for a few months. Can you share some experience?

1. Does the CPU meet its high performance or is it throttled due to cooling limits of the chassis/housing of the workstation?

2. Samen question for the GPU

3. Which brand  (HP, Dell, Lenovo) and type workstation are you using ?

4. Does the workstation make noise?

5. How is the cooling arranged? 

mwa
14-Alexandrite
14-Alexandrite
(To:mwa)

6. Are the CPU and/or GPU over Clocked?

7. Do you also use this system for FEM analyses?  What is the experience? 

Chris3
21-Topaz I
(To:mwa)

Late to the answers here but in case anyone else comes back to this thread:

 

1. Its not my PC and I am not using it so I don't know if the CPU is topping out

2. See above for the GPU

3. Its a custom Dell machine

4. No it does not make noise

5. Cooling is just a fan. The machine stays on 24/7 and we didn't want the risk of a coolant leak over a long break, etc.

6. It is not used for FEA, just for large CAD assemblies

7. CPU is not overclocked

mwa
14-Alexandrite
14-Alexandrite
(To:Chris3)

6. Are the CPU and/or GPU over Clocked?

7. Do you also use this system for FEM analyses?  What is the experience

mwa
14-Alexandrite
14-Alexandrite
(To:M_C_Anderson)

Do you have experience with the ICore 9 14900 CPU? 

 

a) What motherboard is used ?

b) Which chipset is used?

c) Do you have ECC memory ?

d) how is the stability of the system and of Creo?

e) Is it silent?

 

Overall: What is your impressium about the performance wit the Icore 9 14900 processor, 

Is it as stable as a Xeon processor? 

I also have the same question as you

At $2400 each, we built several custom workstations ourselves more than a year ago that, at #7 with 472 seconds on the Creosite list, takes only 13% longer than #1.

Although we probably overspent on a couple items, we did none of these things: CPU overclocking, ECC, Xeon, i9, water-cooling, DDR5, or Gen 5 SSD.

These have been very fast & very stable & extremely quiet & a great bang for the buck.

None of the “approved” hardware sources were building anything “equivalent” even after adding at least $1,000+

Bear in mind there is a lot of marketing hype & benchmark information out there that does not correlate 1:1 with performance.

You can spend a large percent more money only to achieve minimal percent real-life gains.

But it’s fun to dream!

TrainStopper, what's the build?  I'm at the point of needing to spec out replacement workstations for my Engineers, and I'm not all that interesting in spending more than $2,500, and I'd really like to know what your actual config is.  Thanks!

This was in March of 2023, so some of the components might be obsolete by now.

CPU: Intel Core i7-13700KF 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor

B&H

B&H # INCI713700KF

370

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12A 60.09 CFM CPU Cooler

Amazon

ASIN # B07PN4RDW3

115

Motherboard: Asus ROG STRIX Z690-A GAMING WIFI D4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard

B&H

B&H # ASRSZ690AD4

309

Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18)

Amazon

ASIN # ‎B07ZPLM1R1

80

Storage: Kingston KC3000 1.024 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive

Amazon

ASIN # B09K7F5VJQ

87

Video Card: PNY RTX A-Series RTX A4500 20 GB Video Card

Newegg

Item # N82E16814133831

1080

Case: Lian Li LANCOOL 216 ATX Mid Tower Case

Microcenter

SKU # 512277

100

Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS PLUS 850 Gold 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply

B&H

B&H # SESSR850FX

160

Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro

200

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