File Version disappear.

[mfontaine]

Hi,

I realize that creo 2.0 (M190) delete old version by it's own. I had file up to version 300(exemple.asm.300) but return to a non version file (exemple.asm) after a save.

First i don't want this version to be delete.

Second, its random .... some files have their version deleted not everyone.

It's really weird,

Thanks for your help

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[StephenW]

Check your config.pro for the option SAVE_FILE_ITERATIONS

If you want to keep iterations like the the system always has, make sure the value is set to YES.

[mfontaine]

i don't use this option in my config.pro

is it possible that they chage the default setting in m190

[mfontaine]

this setting only appears in creo 3.0 in the official documents

[StephenW]

Yes, I am on Creo 3 and now that you mention it, I do remember it was a new option.

Are you doing any file backup? That resets all the iterations back to .1

Also, if you are using multiple folders, sometimes the folder "views" don't include the file extension.

I also have seen companies use startup scripts that automatically purge iterations.

[mfontaine]

very good point but....

i dont do file backup and what it's weird it that the version return to ... no version not even .1

for the folder i check directly in the windows explorer. And for the purge i only use it manually.

i made a test i save like 5 time in a row :

-1rst save reset to no version

-2-3-4-5 increase the version number.

thanks for you time

[Dale_Rosema]

Check and make sure that the File Explorer or Windows is set so that it shows extensions. You may no have that turned on, but they are there.

[mfontaine]

In fact i can see files with version and file with no version so i suppose the setting was fine.

Thanks

[MartinHanak]

Maxime,

do your test again.

• create empty folder (for example D:\tmp\creo\test_folder) and save a part five times into it
• open Command Prompt window
• enter following command   cd  /D  D:\tmp\creo\test_folder
• enter following command   dir
• do you see something like this ?

• now open Windows Explorer, do you see something like this ?

• click Organize > Folder and search options

• uncheck Hide extensions for known file types

MH

[mfontaine]

thanks for the tutorial but my problem is that the version disappear, like i f a had 5 files that represent 5 versions after a save i have 1 file with no version.

[dgschaefer]

Did you follow the steps in artin's tutorial?  If not, please do. It's possible that the version is there but your installation of Windows is hiding it when it is *.1 and not when it is *.2, *.3, *.4 etc.

[mfontaine]

i see file with version (1,2,3,5,4,5,6,) and some without.

if its what your saying i'll see no file with version.1 but i see them.

if i open file without version i cant see in the file history that it have and history and a save like 1 days ago.

files for versions were delete, i only have 1 file left.

[dgschaefer]

Interesting.  It does not sound like the Windows setting then, if you are seeing some *.1, thank you for double checking.

From my experience, the first save of a part when created should be *.prt.1, but *.prt is also valid.  However, I'm not sure how that file would be created except manually in Windows.  I'm not sure how else a prt file could be created without the version extension. 

This sounds like something you should open a case with PTC tech support on.

[dschenken]

Are you the system administrator for your Creo installation?

Are you using network drives for storage?

Is there anyone else with access to your folders?

Has the system administration mentioned disks are getting too full?

Has the batch file for starting Creo been modified to run a program to purge old files?

Is there a mapkey that's been added or modified that includes purging old files?

Are there multiple locations for files to be stored?

I don't recall ever reading that Creo would just delete files - going back to Rev 13. If there is no other explanation, then perhaps you have a virus program that is deleting files and you just noticed these.

You should be able to go back and look at the trail files and look for cases of opening, closing, and deleting files. If Creo is doing this it will be recorded within Creo, but mapkeys can run OS level commands/batch files and those actions will not be recorded.

I'm surprised that you don't have a Windchill or Teamcenter installation for file management or some other backup system for your data.

The filetype filter for folders is based on an individual suffix basis, though it is not likely your problem. For example, ".1," ".5," and ".8" to ".500" could all be considered known file types and those suffixes hidden, but would show up as repeated, seemingly identical, filenames if there was more than one. Removing a filetype requires changing the Registry to remove those references. PTC install puts in a couple thousand, I think, from .1 to .1999. It's irritating and only makes a difference for drag-and-drop, which I never use.

There is a config option to delete history when using Save-As, otherwise the internal file history should be retained. I think it is a hidden option. purge_history_on_save_copy set to yes

Also see the rest of the discussion about not saving file history: How to clear the audit trail history on the model.

[MartinHanak]

Maxime,

please can you upload picture of Command Prompt windows from your computer showing output of dir command ?

MH

[mfontaine]

i had like 5000 file this is a chunk but i think you will see what you want

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2015-06-04  09:05            45 797 a025176.drw

2015-06-30  15:49           137 932 a025179.asm

2015-06-30  15:50           542 844 a025179.drw

2016-03-04  13:31         1 107 080 a025181.asm

2016-04-12  09:33         1 134 525 a025181.asm.2

2016-04-12  09:34         1 134 471 a025181.asm.3

2016-04-12  10:41         1 133 766 a025181.asm.4

2015-11-23  09:40         4 296 083 a025181.drw

2016-04-12  09:33         4 478 234 a025181.drw.2

2016-04-12  10:41         4 481 651 a025181.drw.3

2015-09-23  13:33         1 073 813 a025182-101.drw

2015-12-15  13:05           950 493 a025182-101.prt

[dgschaefer]

Almost all of the files without a version extension are older, a quick scan shows only one in 2016, some in 2015 most in 2012-2014.  Some have newer versions with a numeric extension.

I can't tell you how the version-less files were created, but they weren't created recently and it seems that Creo is properly incrementing them as they are opened and saved.

[MartinHanak]

Maxime,

thanks for publishing file list. All file names are correct.

In case of file names without numerical extension - Creo acts as if these files have .1 extension. For example Creo assumes that a025063.asm has the same meaning as a025063.asm.1

If you open Command Propmt window, change current directory to i:\CAD\Composantes\Serie_DEMERS\025000-029999 and enter command dir a025063.asm* then you will get little bit confusing listing - this confusion is caused by alphabetical sort order:

2016-03-29  11:41	96 947 a025063.asm
2016-04-21  16:45	97 431 a025063.asm.10
2016-04-22  10:06	97 915 a025063.asm.11
2016-04-25  12:27	98 179 a025063.asm.12
2016-04-26  14:59	98 262 a025063.asm.13
2016-04-27  16:29	99 716 a025063.asm.14
2016-05-02  13:32	99 970 a025063.asm.15
2016-05-06  11:15	97 980 a025063.asm.16
2016-05-06  17:16	110 140 a025063.asm.17
2016-05-09  10:21	99 754 a025063.asm.18
2016-05-11  16:39	101 465 a025063.asm.19
2016-04-07  12:05	98 645 a025063.asm.2
2016-05-16  16:25	100 689 a025063.asm.20
2016-05-17  16:34	102 113 a025063.asm.21
2016-05-18  16:49	102 786 a025063.asm.22
2016-05-19  12:47	103 189 a025063.asm.23
2016-05-19  16:43	103 514 a025063.asm.24
2016-05-20  12:48	102 869 a025063.asm.25
2016-05-24  14:40	104 156 a025063.asm.26
2016-05-25  10:04	104 172 a025063.asm.27
2016-05-30  12:18	104 425 a025063.asm.28
2016-05-31  12:07	104 829 a025063.asm.29
2016-04-08  14:46	98 869 a025063.asm.3
2016-06-01  15:21	104 798 a025063.asm.30
2016-06-06  09:35	115 494 a025063.asm.31
2016-06-07  14:51	106 361 a025063.asm.32
2016-04-11  16:30	99 159 a025063.asm.4
2016-04-13  12:25	85 585 a025063.asm.5
2016-04-14  12:01	97 301 a025063.asm.6
2016-04-15  10:13	97 699 a025063.asm.7
2016-04-18  12:11	97 051 a025063.asm.8
2016-04-20  11:17	97 410 a025063.asm.9

If you open Command Propmt window, change current directory to i:\CAD\Composantes\Serie_DEMERS\025000-029999 and enter command dir /od a025063.asm* then you will get better listing - this is caused by date sort order:

2016-03-29  11:41	96 947 a025063.asm
2016-04-07  12:05	98 645 a025063.asm.2
2016-04-08  14:46	98 869 a025063.asm.3
2016-04-11  16:30	99 159 a025063.asm.4
2016-04-13  12:25	85 585 a025063.asm.5
2016-04-14  12:01	97 301 a025063.asm.6
2016-04-15  10:13	97 699 a025063.asm.7
2016-04-18  12:11	97 051 a025063.asm.8
2016-04-20  11:17	97 410 a025063.asm.9
2016-04-21  16:45	97 431 a025063.asm.10
2016-04-22  10:06	97 915 a025063.asm.11
2016-04-25  12:27	98 179 a025063.asm.12
2016-04-26  14:59	98 262 a025063.asm.13
2016-04-27  16:29	99 716 a025063.asm.14
2016-05-02  13:32	99 970 a025063.asm.15
2016-05-06  11:15	97 980 a025063.asm.16
2016-05-06  17:16	110 140 a025063.asm.17
2016-05-09  10:21	99 754 a025063.asm.18
2016-05-11  16:39	101 465 a025063.asm.19
2016-05-16  16:25	100 689 a025063.asm.20
2016-05-17  16:34	102 113 a025063.asm.21
2016-05-18  16:49	102 786 a025063.asm.22
2016-05-19  12:47	103 189 a025063.asm.23
2016-05-19  16:43	103 514 a025063.asm.24
2016-05-20  12:48	102 869 a025063.asm.25
2016-05-24  14:40	104 156 a025063.asm.26
2016-05-25  10:04	104 172 a025063.asm.27
2016-05-30  12:18	104 425 a025063.asm.28
2016-05-31  12:07	104 829 a025063.asm.29
2016-06-01  15:21	104 798 a025063.asm.30
2016-06-06  09:35	115 494 a025063.asm.31
2016-06-07  14:51	106 361 a025063.asm.32

In the above list you can see complete file creation history.

As Doug Schaefer mentioned - nobody is able to explain why some file do not have numerical extensions. Numerical extensions could be removed by custom purge command -OR- by PDM system used at your workplace. Ask your colleagues, administrators, IT, ...

MH