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Butterfly Problem, solving with MathCad ?

lvl107
20-Turquoise

Butterfly Problem, solving with MathCad ?

    Hello Everyone.
   With referring to Werner's suggestion and Ttokoro's suggestion on solving with MathCad ( or Prime )

https://community.ptc.com/t5/Mathcad/Butterfly-problem/m-p/848009#M204472
I'm interesting in it :

Given:
Let ABC be a triangle with incircle ( O ), and let ( O ) touch BC, CA, AB at A', B', C' respectively. M is a
arbitrary-point move on B'C'. Lines BM and CA meet at B''. Lines CM and AB meet at C''. Lines A'M
and B''C'' meet at A''.
Prove :
A'' move on incircle ( O ) ( with M move on B'C'. )

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     Thanks in advance for your time and help.
          Best Regards.

                 Loi.

 

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Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:Werner_E)

Here is a brute force attack with Mathcad.

Good luck for trying to let the symbolics prove it! 😈

But as you can see we can at least demonstrate the property for specific numeric values ...

Werner_E_0-1673174394422.png

 

 

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EDIT: modified screenshot and attached file! In the originals the radius was calculated wrongly

 

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Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:lvl107)

This characteristic property of a tangent quadrilateral should help:

https://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/CircumQuadri.shtml

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:Werner_E)

Here is a brute force attack with Mathcad.

Good luck for trying to let the symbolics prove it! 😈

But as you can see we can at least demonstrate the property for specific numeric values ...

Werner_E_0-1673174394422.png

 

 

Ani.gif

EDIT: modified screenshot and attached file! In the originals the radius was calculated wrongly

 

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:Werner_E)

Many, many thanks for your time and help, Werner.:

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Best Regards.

   Loi.

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:lvl107)

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Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:lvl107)

I thought you were looking for a general Mathcad proof for ALL possible triangles, not just for a few specific ones?

Without loss of generality we can use B(0/0) and C(1(0) (or C(10/0) as you have chosen).

So we have three variables which can be chosen at will - the coordinates of A (we can assume that they are positive, and the parameter lambda for chosing M (which of course can also be outside o the triangle as in your examples, just chose lambda smaller than 0 or greater than 1).

But you will have already noticed that the symbolic evaluation of the general expression in my sheet seems to run endless without any result (but then, maybe I was too impatient).

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:Werner_E)

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   Best Regards.

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