WF5 -Undo functionality not working as expected

DiVenti · ‎Apr 27, 2010

Is it something that I'm missing, but it seems that Undo button is always
grayed out and I am not able to Undo any operation.
I checked the config option general_undo_stack_limit and it's setup on 50.
Using WF5.

TIA
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Spidernate · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Do you have a space navigator by 3D Connexion?

I had the same situation when I upgraded to WF4. You can try to update your drivers for it,

but if that does not work, you will have to disable/uninstall the device.

I contacted 3D connexion concerning this, and they say it's PTC's fault.

NEALROSENBLUM · ‎Apr 28, 2010

I have a Space Navigator and have never been able to use the UNDO
functionality as well. I just wrote it off as one of the ProE-isms.

Sincerely,

Neal Rosenblum

Geometrix Engineering, Inc.

201 N. 13th Avenue

Hollywood, FL 33019

DiVenti · ‎Apr 28, 2010

So, let me get this straight: you had to choose between Undo and Space
Navigator and you chose Space Navigator?!
You must love the device

Thank you for feedback.
Yes, that was the reason. I had installed a Space Navigator and their
driver uses Pro/Toolkit and disables Undo functionality. 3DConnexion is
working on this fix. I uninstalled the device and Undo working like a
charm. I was afraid anyway not to become "addicted" to it. I like to have
my left hand available.
Luke DiVenti

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I have a Space Navigator and have never been able to use the UNDO
functionality as well. I just wrote it off as one of the ProE-isms.

Sincerely,
Neal Rosenblum
Geometrix Engineering, Inc.
201 N. 13th Avenue
Hollywood, FL 33019

NEALROSENBLUM · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Well I never realized that it was the Space Navigator that was causing the
problem until I saw this thread about 20 minutes ago. Needless to say, I
almost never require the UNDO functionality. I have learned to work without
it for so many years that I really do not need it. I opt for the Space
Navigator.

Sincerely,

Neal Rosenblum

Geometrix Engineering, Inc.

201 N. 13th Avenue

Hollywood, FL 33019

mnelson-2 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

All,
Greetings...

You don't necessarily have to uninstall the device. If you remove or rename the file "protk.dat", located at <loadpoint>\text, you can still use the device to spin, pan, zoom, etc. while re-enabling the "undo" functions within Pro/E. We have several machines with the SpacePilot and had the same issue - I simply renamed "protk.dat" to "protk.dat.OLD" and restarted Pro/E.

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Can't we all just get along? The SpacePilot, and especially, the SpacePilot Pro are great devices that have the ability to make Pro/E tasks much easier. Why can't PTC incorporate this device as "supported hardware" and why can't Logitech work with PTC to ensure compatibility. I'm no rocket surgeon (brain scientist, whatever...), but to me, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable request or something that would be that difficult to achieve.

Regards,
Mark

dgschaefer · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Huh, so that's why the undo went away. Bummer, but I too learned Pro|E
long before there was undo. Undo is handy, but the space navigator is
handier. 😄

Doug Schaefer

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Doug Schaefer | Experienced Mechanical Design Engineer
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ptc-593619 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

I never realized we had the undo function to that extent. I too had
never observed it until reading this thread. I'm with everyone else - I
am used to the navigator and not the undo.
Perhaps we ought to poll the users and see what the preference is? Why
can't ProE accept the 3D hardware/software? In the words of others -
"Can't we all just get along?"

ocorten-2 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

To me this was new as well. Now i know why I had to skip the Undo/Redo
subject in my Internal WF4 Presentation ...

And it's not only the SpaceBall driver which does this.
We use an old Customized HoleTable Toolkit application which also
disables the Undo.

We shouldn't be forced to choose between these applications or the Undo
button.
I'd prefer that PTC upgraded the software to still enable the Undo
functionality even if there are old or unsupported Toolkit applications
running.

Olaf Corten
CAD/PLM Manager, Besi Competence Center - Other Business Applications
Fico BV, Ratio 6, 6921 RW Duiven, The Netherlands
Tel.: +31 26 3196215

sstavos · ‎Apr 28, 2010

I am using WF 4.0 build 060

About a month ago we started using the SpacePilot Pro from 3DConnexion and I noticed the undo button was always gray.

I just took Mark Nelsons advice and sure enough It works! Thanks Mark, you deserve a raise!

Steve

ptc-2032585 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Well both my Space Pilot Pro and Space Navigator must be special.

I use both and can UNDO fine.

WF5 M030
3D Connexion driver 6.7.13

To those with problems: I never install anything related to Pro/E when I install the driver. Pro/E doesn't seem to need it and the lack of the extra menu on the Pro/E window doesn't do me any harm.

Maybe that's why I don't have issues that I can see? I stopped installing the 3D Connexion driver for Pro/E maybe in WF2 (when I started using the controller). I recall there was some problem in saving options for the controller, or buttons, etc. Never installed since then and still going strong.

Rui

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mnelson-2 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Rui,
Greetings...

You are correct - by not installing the 3D Connexion driver for Pro/E, you are avoiding the issue, because the Toolkit function and associated 3D Connexion DLL is not installed. This essentially makes your configuration the same as if you installed the driver and then removed or renamed the "protk.dat" file that points to the DLL. The problem is that while you can spin, pan and zoom, other functions of the device that are intended to work within Pro/E are not available. This is especially true on the SpacePilot Pro model with its LCD screen and advanced functionality. That is why I am hopeful that PTC and 3D Connexion/Logitech can work together to allow the device to operate as intended within Pro/E.

Regards,
Mark

ptc-2032585 · ‎Apr 28, 2010

Hi Mark (and the others in the discussion)

I must be missing something, but my LCD works, I can program buttons that run Pro/E mapkeys,...so what am I missing out on? I may sacrifice UNDO for those functions.

Rui

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bfrandsen · ‎Apr 29, 2010

Hi,
As long as the Space Pilot drivers Pro/E functionality is based on
Pro/TOOLKIT functionality, then the undo will be disabled due to the
current spec. of Pro/TOOLKIT.
PTC currently has no way of adding changes made to the model from a
toolkit application to the undo/redo stack.
Thus their policy is to reset the undo/redo stack when ever a toolkit
based application is activated, no matter whether the application changes
anything or not (as they can not track that either).
But if it has change something, then the operation already on the stack
could be impossible to undo. Thats why they need to reset it to play safe.
If they could just flag, when the model had been changes by the toolkit
application, then the undo functionality would work in this case.

Regards,
Bjarne

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Rui,
Greetings?

You are correct ? by not installing the 3D Connexion driver for Pro/E,
you are avoiding the issue, because the Toolkit function and associated 3D
Connexion DLL is not installed. This essentially makes your configuration
the same as if you installed the driver and then removed or renamed the
?protk.dat? file that points to the DLL. The problem is that while you can
spin, pan and zoom, other functions of the device that are intended to
work within Pro/E are not available. This is especially true on the
SpacePilot Pro model with its LCD screen and advanced functionality. That
is why I am hopeful that PTC and 3D Connexion/Logitech can work together
to allow the device to operate as intended within Pro/E.

Regards,
Mark

ocorten-2 · ‎Apr 29, 2010

Hi Bjarne,

Finally a more in depth explanation. Did you discuss this with someone
at PTC?

I think it's a rather rigorous decision by PTC to just disable the
Undo/Redo functionality all together when such a Toolkit application is
loaded.

They should only disable the undo/redo for orientation when the 3D
connexion driver is loaded.

I feel another config.pro setting coming up to force building up the
Undo/Redo stack even if there are toolkit applications running.

Perhaps one of these:

ENABLE_BBL_UNDO (hidden)

ENABLE_UNDO_FOR_ON_DEMAND (hidden)

Regards,

Olaf

bfrandsen · ‎Apr 29, 2010

Hi Olaf
Yes it has been discussed at the Customization TC, which is where I got
the explanation below.
This has kept me from using triggers in J-Link for years.
Regards,
Bjarne

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Hi Bjarne,

Finally a more in depth explanation. Did you discuss this with someone at
PTC?

I think it?s a rather rigorous decision by PTC to just disable the
Undo/Redo functionality all together when such a Toolkit application is
loaded.
They should only disable the undo/redo for orientation when the 3D
connexion driver is loaded.

I feel another config.pro setting coming up to force building up the
Undo/Redo stack even if there are toolkit applications running.
Perhaps one of these:
ENABLE_BBL_UNDO (hidden)
ENABLE_UNDO_FOR_ON_DEMAND (hidden)

Regards,

Olaf