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Butterfly problem ?

lvl107
20-Turquoise

Butterfly problem ?

Hello, Everyone.
From the following :
Given :
Let ABC be a triangle with incircle ( I ), and let ( I ) touch BC, CA, AB at A', B', C', respectively.
Drop perpendicular from A' onto B'C' at A''. Lines BA'' and CA meet at B''. Lines CA'' and AB meet
at C''.
Prove :
C'C'' + B'B'' = C''B''

Figure.PNG

( dark-green + green = red )

    Thanks in advance for your time and help.
        Best Regards.

             Loi.

 

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ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:lvl107)

For my above picture, at first point P on the circle (1) is selected between circular arc c'Pb'.

Then make tangent line c"Pb" at point P on the circle. This is the red line.

Then 

Make △OB"B'≡△OB"P and make △OC"C'≡△OC"P.

Length of OB'=OC'=OP=radius r of the circle.

Angle of ∠OB'B"=∠OPB"=∠OC'C"=∠OPC"=90 deg. (Because the tangent line must be perpendicular to radius r.)

So

If we can show the intersection point M of line cc" and bb" is also on the line c'b', it is solved.

 

 

 

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idahoan
11-Garnet
(To:lvl107)

Please attach a MathCAD worksheet that shows the problem you are experiencing.  Then perhaps we can assist.

Werner_E
24-Ruby V
(To:lvl107)

Actually it does not matter where you choose the point A'' on the line B'C' ! 

B''C'' will always be a tangent to the circle and so the two green lines will add up to the red one.

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:Werner_E)

   Many thanks for your time and hints, idahoan and Werner. @Werner_E , your mark, the above, is a more general statement !

And the butterfly problem should be stated as the following:

     Let ABC be a triangle with incircle ( I ), and let ( I ) touch AC, AB at B', C', respectively. M is a
point on segment B'C'. Lines BM and CA meet at B''. Lines CM and AB meet at C''.
Prove :
C'C'' + B'B'' = C''B''.  

Figure.PNG

( dark-green + green = red )

    And I still got stuck proving B''C'' be a tangent to the incircle ( I ).

        Best Regards.

 

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:lvl107)

Make △OB"B'≡△OB"P and make △OC"C'≡△OC"P.

Length of OB'=OC'=OP=radius r of the circle.

Angle of ∠OB'B"=∠OPB"=∠OC'C"=∠OPC"=90 deg.

Therefore, P of △OB"P and △OC"P is same point and on the circle.

And B''C'' be a tangent to the incircle ( I ).  ....Still not solve. 

 

Make △B'C'P to circumscribed circle. Point P is also on the incircle (I).

This center of circumscribed circle, O must show above properties.   ....Still not solve.

 

image.png

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

   Many thanks for your respond, Ttokoro. :

F3.PNGF4.PNG

   Best Regards.

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:lvl107)

For my above picture, at first point P on the circle (1) is selected between circular arc c'Pb'.

Then make tangent line c"Pb" at point P on the circle. This is the red line.

Then 

Make △OB"B'≡△OB"P and make △OC"C'≡△OC"P.

Length of OB'=OC'=OP=radius r of the circle.

Angle of ∠OB'B"=∠OPB"=∠OC'C"=∠OPC"=90 deg. (Because the tangent line must be perpendicular to radius r.)

So

If we can show the intersection point M of line cc" and bb" is also on the line c'b', it is solved.

 

 

 

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

If we can show the intersection point M of lines cc" and bb" is also on the line c'b', and it is also the intersection point of lines A'P and b'c'.
Then, it is solved.
Using Mathcad numerical calculation with using your 2020's puzzle, it is true.

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

image.pngimage.pngimage.pngimage.pngimage.pngimage.pngimage.pngimage.png About 12 digits are same but not equal.

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

Attach Prime 8 worksheet to show all.

Tokoro. 

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

Many, many thanks for the extra response, @ttokoro . And with following you hints, I have just done a very small thing, but with all of calculation was done with only by symbolic ( NOT NUMERIC ) then :

Figure.PNG

Figure2.PNG

   Best Regards.

       Loi.

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

  Ttokoro, To your extra response, one very small thing, I have just done now : M is on the extension line of B'C'.

I.PNG 

II.PNG

   Best Regards.

       Loi.

ttokoro
20-Turquoise
(To:lvl107)

Thanks. I also find it. Chage my T value of combo box, such as 1.2, Prime 8 also shows it.

Tokoro.   

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:ttokoro)

Ttokoro, in your case #2 then :

a.PNGb.PNG

c.PNG

Best Regards.

     Loi.

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