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Area of Parametric (closed) Curve ?

lvl107
20-Turquoise

Area of Parametric (closed) Curve ?


Hello Everyone.
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  How to calculate Area of Parametric (closed) Curve, the above ? ( MathCad 15 )
  Thanks in advance.
  Regards.
  Loi

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DJF
16-Pearl
16-Pearl
(To:lvl107)

While this problem is solvable with calculus - there are tricks to doing it other ways that can come in handy for other less mathematical shapes.  Shoelace formula (Surveyor's formula) works just using coordinate points.  Something Werner taught me years ago.

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Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:lvl107)

Attachments don't work OK at the time, we just see "Virus scan in progress..." and can't download the attachment.
I already notified @admin  and @PTCModerator  yesterday but so far there was no reaction - its weekend 😞

 

Your curve may look like a cardioide on first glance, but it isn't

Werner_E_0-1765141031559.png

Actually what you show is part of a larger curve with the parameter representation

Werner_E_1-1765141293724.png

and you get the curve you show for t running from 0 to pi

ani1.gif

 

To calculate the area enclosed you can use Green's theorem  which possibly should be attributed to C.F.Gauß.

Werner_E_2-1765141397336.png

Using the parameter representation shown above and the limits 0 and pi for the parameter t, we get the enclosed area with

Werner_E_4-1765141505328.png

ani2.gif

 

 

 

 

 

AndrewK
Community Manager
(To:Werner_E)

Hi @Werner_E Thanks for pointing out this issue we are investigating now.

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:AndrewK)


@AndrewK wrote:

Hi @Werner_E Thanks for pointing out this issue we are investigating now.


Thanks!

It looks like the problem has now been solved since a few hours ago.

AndrewK
Community Manager
(To:Werner_E)

Yes, Khoros has rolled out a fix, but said there may be a few edge cases where the issue persists, but they should have it fully resolved soon.

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:AndrewK)

@AndrewK 

Thanks for the information.

I seem just to have stumbled over one of those edge cases when I tried to attach a file here: https://community.ptc.com/t5/Mathcad/How-to-generate-an-output-table/m-p/1046866/highlight/true#M219892

When I chose "Browse" the usual file selection window pops up and I can select the file to upload. But when I do so and the windows closes no file was attached at all 😞 There was no error message or anything else indicating that something went wrong other than the file not showing up in the area of 

Not sure if the admins can see the (not) attached file.

The file I tried to attach was an mcdx file created by Prime 10.0.1.0.

I zipped the file and the zip file finally was accepted. 

I remember that the first time with Khoros files created by Mathcad or Prime were not accepted as attachments at all and it always was necessary to put them into archives. On the other hand others today seem to were able to attach mcdx files .... ?

 

 

DJF
16-Pearl
16-Pearl
(To:lvl107)

While this problem is solvable with calculus - there are tricks to doing it other ways that can come in handy for other less mathematical shapes.  Shoelace formula (Surveyor's formula) works just using coordinate points.  Something Werner taught me years ago.

shoelace.png

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:DJF)

Yes, and in fact, the shoelace formula can also be traced back to C. F. Gauß! -> Shoelace formula - Wikipedia

He really was simply a genius.

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:DJF)

Yes, it's handy for other less mathematical shapes, DJF. Also, many thanks to NickKemaev, AndrewK and Werner.

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:lvl107)

I thought that, as you usually do, you would look for an exact symbolic solution.
You can also represent your curve in polar coordinates, which makes calculating the area even easier:

Werner_E_0-1765332766594.png

 

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:Werner_E)

   Thanks for your suggestion, Werner. But I'm new to polar coordinates so I still confuse about the identical (coincided) shapes between red shape and blue shape :

W.PNG  

   Thanks again.

   Regards. 

Werner_E
25-Diamond I
(To:lvl107)

Without negative radii it actually is that way

Werner_E_1-1765347810077.png

 

 

lvl107
20-Turquoise
(To:Werner_E)

Many, many thanks for your explanation, Werner. 😊 🙄 🤔. . . I got it. Now,they seems to be coincided ...

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or :

 

W(b).PNG

  Now I have to say again : Tha...n...ks... , Werner.

  Regards. 

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