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17-Peridot
March 11, 2015
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A problem to big to report (?)

  • March 11, 2015
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I have reluctantly employed Creo 3.0 M020 in a production environment.

I now have a significant investment in effort and this project is moving forward this way.

Okay, that's the stage... and I am certain my issues are not only Creo 3.0 related.

As many of you know, I have gotten pretty good at submitting concise support cases...

but this one is befuddling me.

If you regularly create 3D curves using intersect, and regularly use datum references (the Datum Reference feature selecting curve chains).

As you might have guessed, I am in a spider nest of wires. See if any of this sounds familiar:

1. I create the intersect feature of 2 planar sketches. Nothing magic here; often you get a lot of extra intersects that are not continuous but valid.

2. You create a datum curve reference by selecting valid segments of the intersect feature... continuous of course.

3. The direction arrow are all aligned when I exit the reference feature creation.

4. When I try to locate a point along the datum reference, it fails to use the along value.

5. You edit feature the Datum Reference and you find the segment directions in all different direction then form when you left it.

6. Once redirecting all the segments, the point feature can be placed along the entire length (ratio 0-1).

7. You pattern the points; 1st point at ratio 0... and 10 more at 0.1 along the entire reference curve.

8. You then make a datum curve using the points; the 1st one is tangent to an axis, and the last leg is defined straight.

All good, right? Now you expect this to remain stable.

BUT NO!!! Every so often, you will get the 0 end of the Datum Reference to swap. This plays havoc with the tangent vs. straight segments of the datum curve because it too switches ends.

What did make it worse was when I also selected vertices to create the datum curve. These would get all tied up.

So, if you do this on a regular basis... What have you learned? Have you filed support cases?

Did you just give up and just live with it? Or do you just export a successful attempts and lock in?

I've dealt with this for over a week now so I am not just whining... there is a genuine reliability issue here. And not one that only happens every blue moon... it happens at every moon phase known to man.


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1-Visitor
March 11, 2015

Wait for Creo 3 M180. Pretty sure it will be fixed by then.

1-Visitor
March 11, 2015

The post pretty much explains it in all of necessary details.

The fastest way to overcome the problem now is to create an independent geometry feature, and collapse all of the point features into it, so the points remain where they are for good.

17-Peridot
March 11, 2015

Ha, yes, it explains it but I don't have the time to spend 3 hours on the phone with CS to reproduce it for them. ...and of course, they will condense it to a paragraph like I did... and I will get a reply saying it is not an issue... I have to escalate it... and suddenly the original problem will magically transform into a problem with annotation... which is covered by 9,426 active SPR's.

I need these to remain dynamic.

  • X-sketch
  • Y-sketch
  • intersect
  • datum reference (curve)
  • point along reference
  • pattern points
  • datum curve through points (adding unrelated vertices makes it worse).

I should be able to change either sketch or move any of their references.

The sketches are robust enough to maintain the intersect but things fall apart at the datum reference, the point order (ends switch), and the datum curve selection order.

Explain independent geometry feature a little more, please. There are probably good ways to use this for locking thing in place once I get done with all this fuss.

I know I have reproduced the above routine nearly 40 times now. I've gotten pretty good at it

1-Visitor
March 11, 2015

I'd think you can create coordinate systems at locations of all points, and then offset points from those, but I'm not sure about that, would need to try.

I know it's pain to redefine an existing datum curve that goes through more than two points.

Well, if you have had Style feature and Flexible Modeling life would be easier.

See the two following threads to figure out how to put together Independent Geom and Collapse Geom features.

Re: How do you untrim in Creo Parametric?

Where is the command of "Collapse Geometry" in Creo 1.0?

Uhh and 40 times? I recommend going back to Creo Parametric 2.0 M140, and just redo all the work there. Much less painfull in the long run.