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GlennBeer1-Visitor
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January 3, 2017
Question

Using Isolate with Layers???

  • January 3, 2017
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I want to ask, how many people are using "Hide and Isolate" vs. "Hide and Unhide", to decide what layer items are to be visible in the display.

For those that are using Isolate:

Did you find that it changed how you defined layer rules?

Are you creating fewer layers?

Are the rules for those layers less complicated?

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    Kevin1-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    January 3, 2017

    For me it's just a quick temporary way to remove unwanted display items without having to hide layers or keep items from showing as they are created and added to a layer. For me it didn't change the number of layers I created or the way I created the rules or how complicated they were.

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    mbonka2-Explorer
    2-Explorer
    January 4, 2017

    Hello Glenn Beer

    both functions HIDE and ISOLATE are useful in different situations.

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    l´m using "Isolate" function in drawings for DXF export. Generall for laser or watter jet cutting.

         - need to show solid geometry --- solid geometry isn´t included in any layer

         - need to show CNC-cut geometry --- set this layer isolate

    - ISOLATE guarantees that DXF file will nerver shows mess (datum axis, planes, additional sketches etc.)

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    Did you find that it changed how you defined layer rules?

    In my opinion: Changing layer rules HAS NO INFLUENCE to hide/isolate state for desired layer. If the layers was hide one times, it will be hide for everytime (doesn´t matter what is included or excluded in this layer)

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    Are you creating fewer layers?

    In my opinion: Nummber of layers is depend only to way you want to use Creo parametric. More simply is THE BEST. So keep less layers if possible.

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    Are the rules for those layers less complicated?

    If the layer is simply or rules driven depends on "WHAT YOU WANT SHOWN" in desired layers. HIDE and INFLUECE has no influence.

    Regards

    Milan Bonka

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    dgschaefer21-Topaz II
    21-Topaz II
    February 21, 2017

    Glenn,

    I use hide/isolate pretty much exclusively. For all the reasons you stated back in your conference presentation years ago I find this the most useful combination.

    Regarding your other questions.

    Did you find that it changed how you defined layer rules?

    I started using layer rules and isolate at the same time, so yes?

    Are you creating fewer layers?

    I find that I don't often create new task specific layers.  I thought that I would, but don't very often.  I will sometimes create a rule to capture all new features when I'm working in a specific area so that I will then have a layer with all those features on it when I'm done.  It's also handy for having everything off except the area I'm currently working on.  I have to remember to turn that rule off when I'm done though.

    Are the rules for those layers less complicated?

    My default layer rules are fairly complicated.  An rules for new, on the fly layers are generally pretty simple. 

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    MarkHeinze10-Marble
    10-Marble
    February 21, 2017

    Ditto to how you are using layers. I too hide all non-solid items by a set of standard layers governed by rules. They are created once in a "standard model" upon which I base every new model I generate. For those few exceptions where I need to show something special, I'll create an extra layer and manually add that item, then isolate that layer. As said these extra manually created layers are generally few and so the extra effort is really minimal. Also, I name such extra layers to the effect "0_myspeciallayer" so that they are driven to the top of the list, easy to find and manage (using ISOLATE). All other layers are always saved hidden. Since picking up on Glenn's tip on ISOLATE (years ago - thank you!), I've dramatically cut the time and effort needed to manage layers and obtaining desired displays.

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    dgschaefer21-Topaz II
    21-Topaz II
    February 21, 2017

    Funny, I do the opposite of you - all my standard layers are prefixed "00_" so they stay at the top, any custom layers end up below them.

    I have added other standard layers as Creo has evolved.  I now have a standard layer for axis tags since having the axis display turned on and then showing an axis in the drawing reveals the axis tag.  The only way to fix it permanently (one can turn the axis display off for a temp fix) is to put the tags themselves on a layer and hide them.

    I need to come back revisit my thread on Sketched Points and Layer Rules as I've been fighting with those ever since the sketched datum point feature was merged into the general sketch feature.  I asked that question months ago and have been to busy since to go back and try what was suggested.

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