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bcooper1-Visitor
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January 13, 2014
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Helical sweep with variable pitch vanes

  • January 13, 2014
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Here's my issue, I am designing a part with a helical sweep where the pitch varies from 1.33 to 4.6. This part is no problem, the issue is we want to be able to mold this part and as you can see in the picture the vanes wrap around on themselfs. I think if I could keep the vane perpendicular to the asis it could be moldable. I've tried this using both helical sweep and swept blend to no avail. Thanks in advance.impeller1_10-14b.jpg


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Patriot_1776
Patriot_177622-Sapphire II
22-Sapphire II
January 13, 2014

You will not be able to mold that as a typical 2-sided mold. With a helix thare's always the issue of negative draft/undercuts. You will need a spinning core, and even then, because of the change in pitch, it might not work. Depending on how soft the material is, you MIGHT be able to, with a ton of radial slides, pop th epart out with proper sequencing, but it goes back to the elasticity of the plastic.

Best of luck.

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TomD.inPDX17-Peridot
17-Peridot
January 14, 2014

Frank is right, this type of part is made with investment casting.

Typically a lost wax master with a hard shell for the casting process.

If the material is a castable plastic, you might be able to get away with a flexible silicon mold where you could peel the mold away from the part.

Patriot_1776
Patriot_177622-Sapphire II
22-Sapphire II
January 14, 2014

'Sup Antonius! Yeah, I assumed he meant in plastic. That's gonna be pretty impossible to "mold". A spinning core MIGHT work, if the pitch change was in the other direction. Have to give it more thought......

I'll try and look at that stuff tomorrow!

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Inoram14-Alexandrite
14-Alexandrite
January 14, 2014

That looks like a washing machine agitator? If molding is a requirement and you can vary the design, then you will probably have to do a lot of tweaking, like maybe being thicker towards the center but then having the profile change a bit at places where there will be parting lines.

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bcooper1-VisitorAuthor
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January 14, 2014

Thanks for the feed back.

The part is an impeller for a water pump and the intent of the project was to injection mold it. I couldn't come up with a way to do it and hoped you guys could but you did confirm that I was right.

thanks for your help.

Patriot_1776
Patriot_177622-Sapphire II
22-Sapphire II
January 14, 2014

Like I said, a spinning core MIGHT do it if the pitch was static, and the vanes were constant or decreasing in section. Conventional molding? Not a chance. It's just the geometry.

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bcooper1-VisitorAuthor
1-Visitor
January 14, 2014

The vane thickness could be modified slightly but the way it looks is pretty critical to the preformance. I have investigated creating a helical sweep on the base diameter then using that sweep to project to keeping the vanes straight. That didn't work out. What I am looking at now is seeing if I can mold this in 3? parts then assemble it back into an assembly. We currently make some colsed impeller in two parts and sonic weld them back together, this works pretty well. With this I'm not sure yet, I know I'll have to work close with the molder.

thanks

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