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April 28, 2015
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The end of Adepters (?)

  • April 28, 2015
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Hi folks—

For those of you who may not have stopped to read these messages from PTC/USER, or who may not have caught the implications, here is the summary:

PTC/USER is shutting down the server that runs the Adepters email list.

Their idea is to migrate all the PTC/USER discussion groups to the PTC-hosted PTC communities system. For those who haven’t used that system before, it’s kind of like Facebook for PTC users. They do have a dedicated area there for discussions of Arbortext related questions and issues, and that area does see a decent amount of traffic.

Since PTC/USER are shutting down their system, keeping Adepters running as-is will very soon not be an option. Going forward, some of us have talked about a few alternatives:


1) Follow PTC/USER’s suggestion and migrate to the PTC Community Arbortext board for Arbortext related discussions. The upside to this is that we get to integrate our community with the Arbortext user community over there (which has some overlap, but also some other users who have never belonged to Adepters. The downside is that it doesn’t offer the familiar listserv interface for reading and replying to messages.

2) Migrate to LinkedIn discussion groups. If we want to maintain more independence from PTC, there is a LinkedIn group for Arbortext users. LinkedIn has pretty good infrastructure for discussions, though again it wouldn’t have quite the same feel as an email server like we’ve been using for Adepters.

3) Migrate to another email discussion group service. We’ve looked at a few options, including Yahoo! Groups and Google Groups, and they would have a more similar flavor to the current system, but there are also some quirks about them (for example, you can’t create a Yahoo! Account without giving them a mobile number, and apparently some numbers like mine aren’t recognized so they won’t work).

From my perspective, the easiest approach is to go ahead and switch over to PTC Community. But I’m interested in what other people think, and I wanted to open up a discussion, in the hopes that we can come to something like a consensus in order to best preserve the sense of community and mutual support that has made Adepters such a wonderful virtual space for so many years.

I hope that wherever we end up, we’ll see most of you there as well!

--Clay

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    1-Visitor
    April 28, 2015
    I would love to see Adepters relocated to an independent email group
    discussion platform. The push of an email list is superior to the pull of a
    forum as far as my engagement is concerned. I do intend to participate in
    the Arbortext PTC Community but I know from experience that I will feel
    that slightly greater friction having to "go" to the forum.



    On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Clay Helberg <->
    wrote:

    > Hi folks--
    >
    >
    >
    > For those of you who may not have stopped to read these messages from
    > PTC/USER, or who may not have caught the implications, here is the summary:
    >
    >
    >
    > PTC/USER is shutting down the server that runs the Adepters email list.
    >
    >
    >
    > Their idea is to migrate all the PTC/USER discussion groups to the
    > PTC-hosted PTC communities system. For those who haven't used that system
    > before, it's kind of like Facebook for PTC users. They do have a dedicated
    > area there for discussions of Arbortext related questions and issues, and
    > that area does see a decent amount of traffic.
    >
    >
    >
    > Since PTC/USER are shutting down their system, keeping Adepters running
    > as-is will very soon not be an option. Going forward, some of us have
    > talked about a few alternatives:
    >
    >
    >
    > 1) Follow PTC/USER's suggestion and migrate to the PTC Community
    > Arbortext board for Arbortext related discussions. The upside to this is
    > that we get to integrate our community with the Arbortext user community
    > over there (which has some overlap, but also some other users who have
    > never belonged to Adepters. The downside is that it doesn't offer the
    > familiar listserv interface for reading and replying to messages.
    >
    > 2) Migrate to LinkedIn discussion groups. If we want to maintain
    > more independence from PTC, there is a LinkedIn group for Arbortext users.
    > LinkedIn has pretty good infrastructure for discussions, though again it
    > wouldn't have quite the same feel as an email server like we've been using
    > for Adepters.
    >
    > 3) Migrate to another email discussion group service. We've looked
    > at a few options, including Yahoo! Groups and Google Groups, and they would
    > have a more similar flavor to the current system, but there are also some
    > quirks about them (for example, you can't create a Yahoo! Account without
    > giving them a mobile number, and apparently some numbers like mine aren't
    > recognized so they won't work).
    >
    >
    >
    > From my perspective, the easiest approach is to go ahead and switch over
    > to PTC Community. But I'm interested in what other people think, and I
    > wanted to open up a discussion, in the hopes that we can come to something
    > like a consensus in order to best preserve the sense of community and
    > mutual support that has made Adepters such a wonderful virtual space for so
    > many years.
    >
    >
    >
    > I hope that wherever we end up, we'll see most of you there as well!
    >
    >
    >
    > --Clay
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > *From:* - [
    >
    > Thank you,
    >
    > Dan Glenn
    >
    > PTC/USER Board of Directors
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    1-Visitor
    April 28, 2015

    Hey Clay -

     

    Ryan from PTC Community here. Thanks for sending this out to make sure everyone is aware of the upcoming changes. As you illustrated our plan is to migrate all of the content from the public discussions into the Arbortext product community on PTC Community over the next 48 hours. There are some great contributors, including PTC Technical Support and Product Management,already participating in the Discussions, Documentation, and Product Ideas (feature enhancement suggestions) within this space and I hope you'll all consider joining us as we continue to grow this community.

     

    How do I create a Group? - PTC Community

     

    Let me know if that's something you'd be interested in persuing to maintain connections with your peers here at PTC/USER and I'd be happy to walk you through setting this up. I'm available at: -

     

    Best,

     

    - Ryan

    1-Visitor
    April 28, 2015
    What happens to the adepters archives?
    Suzanne Napoleonwww.FOSIexpert.com"WYSIWYG is last-century technology!"
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    At 04:25 PM 4/28/2015, Paul Nagai wrote:
    >I would love to see Adepters relocated to an independent email group
    >discussion platform. The push of an email list is superior to the
    >pull of a forum as far as my engagement is concerned. I do intend to
    >participate in the Arbortext PTC Community but I know from
    >experience that I will feel that slightly greater friction having to
    >"go" to the forum.

    +1

    Forums are the death of my involvement unless I have a real problem.
    With the email list I at least look over all the messages in a timely manner.
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    Danny Vint

    Panoramic Photography
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    Suzanne,

    This is quoted from the first communication I saw about the migration of
    adepters to the PTC Community Forums. It appears that the archives will
    continue to be available within the new home.

    We're pleased to announce that in April we will be finalizing this
    migration, moving all account information and content contained within the
    public discussions forums to the recently redesigned PTC Community,
    available at their all-new, independent domain: www.ptcusercommunity.com
    We realize some of our PTC/USER members may be hearing this for the first
    time. Please take this opportunity to check out the new community

    On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Suzanne Napoleon <
    suzannenapoleon@fosiexpert.com> wrote:

    > What happens to the adepters archives?
    >
    > Suzanne Napoleon
    > www.FOSIexpert.com
    >
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    I agree with Clay and support following the path of least resistance. We will have to adapt our expectations (“pull” instead of “push” behavior) but it would put the Adepter community more in touch with the mainstream content coming from PTC.

    John Sillari
    Chief Technologist
    Dayton T. Brown, Inc.
    M +1 631.742.3477
    V +1 650.735.5864
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    If I don't get stuff pushed to my mailbox, I won't really have much awareness of what's going on in the Arbortext world. It's highly unlikely that I will make the effort to go to a forum.
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    Reply got me again… Ok, posting to the group this time!

    Times change, I suppose we have little choice but to change with them short of setting up an independent group elsewhere. Firewalls in place at my place of employment preclude almost all use of social media. That is why I preferred the email group. PTC’s Community isn’t blocked, yet… Frankly though I’ve had better responses from Adepters than PTC Community although that may be because most of the Arbortext users are here. If the group’s archives don’t make it to the new site that would be a significant loss of a resource.
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015
    It will send "PTC Community Updates" regularly via email with a bunch of links to each, but it is a kitchen sink, I get Creo, TC Dojo, and more. I really should look at that and see if I can filter what it sends me.
    1-Visitor
    April 29, 2015

    I believe the PTC Community forums offer RSS feeds. That may be of value to some folks who prefer more of a "push" model.

    In Reply to Greg MacKenzie:


    It will send "PTC Community Updates" regularly via email with a bunch of links to each, but it is a kitchen sink, I get Creo, TC Dojo, and more. I really should look at that and see if I can filter what it sends me.