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July 8, 2010
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Navigating planetptc

  • July 8, 2010
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When this forum first opened there was a lot of discussion about the difficulty navigating through the pages and finding the new posts. Several promises were made to improve the system and we were counseled to "be patient."

I have seen (after I log in) the bold type indicating a new post has been added. The "all content" tab, however does not display all content; if I select a sub forum a whole new list with new bold entries appears. If I select a topic to read, I need two clicks on IE's "back" button to get back to the top forum. Then I can select a different sub forum to view. In order to sift for the new posts on the entire forum requires a lot of time and more patience than I usually have; I used to scan the entire collaboratory about twice a day for new posts, now I scan a few of the subforums and quit to do something productive.

Are things still being changed? How long should we be patient? If we stop complaining will the changes stop too?

Is there a way to set up the web pages so that they're easier to sort throgh? Where are those buttons? (I found the ones to share with facebook, twitter, etc.)

Final question: The collaboratory was a great forum for idea exchanges and getting help; problems with Mathcad and with real technical problems could be posed and answers found. Planetptc is going to replace the collaboratory. How many people are going to give up trying to navigate through this web site and stop participating?

Fred

Best answer by RichardJ
The Collab is still "open" for a few topics like bug reporting that you mentioned until we determine a permanent place to continue that function.

What's wrong with here? The bugs are going to get reported here whether you have a specific forum for them or not. I can say that with a high degree of certainty, because the Collab did not always have a suspected bugs forum and the bugs got reported there. And, unless you have no interest in listening to your customers, I can't figure out what you would have against a feature suggestions forum.

The ultimate goal is to close down the Collab in its entirety

Yes. Hopefully after you have transferred the remainder of the content. Think of that as our "Library of Alexandria", which we spent years building. You have transferred less than half the content to the "new library", doing a fair amount of damage in the process (in particular, all the broken hyperlinks). The new library unfortunately has such a poor indexing system that it is not only difficult to find old material, it's difficult to find new material too. Now you are telling us that you intend to burn down the old library, complete with everything you left behind during the move. Don't be too surprised if you don't make any friends in the Mathcad world when you do that.

And in fact, more recent versions of Akiva are more similar to PlanetPTC Community's functionality and are less like the out of date Collab.

What do you mean by "out of date" (that's a real question - I don't know what you mean by it)?

We want to encourage participation around the themes of Showcasing your work, Networking with peers, and Inspiring others. And we know that other topics and content will be posted in parallel as well.

I'm sorry I have to say this, but I think that is one of the root causes of the problems. Who decided that those should be the goals of the new forums? You and Dan? Someone else at PTC? Some consultant? The marketing department at Jive Software? It doesn't really matter who did decide that though, because I know who didn't. Us. Your users. In fact, your customers. The cardinal sin of product development is to build what the engineers want to build, and not what the customers want to buy.

Mathcad worksheets are not like pieces of art. You don't hang them in a gallery and "showcase them". They are tools, and usually highly specific ones. People take pieces from them for their own use, but rarely use a worksheet in it's original form. Some worksheets are of course worth showcasing, but it's a small minority. As far as "networking with peers" goes, my professional network is on LinkedIn. I have no interest in trying to maintain another one that only reaches a tiny subset of the people I want to connect with.

The nature of Mathcad means that most of the interaction occurs when someone runs into a problem and can't figure out how to solve it. The best type of forum for that type of interaction is one centered around a discussion forum. No need for videos, blogs, Twitter feeds, social networking features, etc etc. As a discussion forum, the Collaboratory may be based on very old software, but the fact is that it is much better than this forum.

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19-Tanzanite
July 8, 2010
How many people are going to give up trying to navigate through this web site and stop participating?

Perhaps the question should be "How many people have already given up trying to navigate through this web site and have stopped participating?"

1-Visitor
July 8, 2010

Richard Jackson wrote:

Perhaps the question should be "How many people have already given up trying to navigate through this web site and have stopped participating?"

I've got to agree. It seems some of the regular posters haven't been on here or have given up as you said.

When hitting the 'Post Message' button it seems to take an age to return to the pervious page - It takes even longer if I try to attach a file, I have actually had the page freeze and loose the post, but to give PTC some credit they have installed a retrieve option where text from the frozen post can be restored without retyping it all out..

1-Visitor
July 13, 2010

MIke Armstrong wrote:

Richard Jackson wrote:

Perhaps the question should be "How many people have already given up trying to navigate through this web site and have stopped participating?"

I've got to agree. It seems some of the regular posters haven't been on here or have given up as you said.

When hitting the 'Post Message' button it seems to take an age to return to the pervious page - It takes even longer if I try to attach a file, I have actually had the page freeze and loose the post, but to give PTC some credit they have installed a retrieve option where text from the frozen post can be restored without retyping it all out..

The retrieve option did work for me, but worked only one time. If a long reply is foreseen, better type in NotePad and the spell check does not work on long message !!!. Why is the site OFF every night for hrs ? Presumably because under repair, it would be convenient having a little message saying "Sorry XXX, the site is under repair , will be back soon. Thanks for your comprehension" . Every collab has to manage his own way, in my case: not too bad because I was so geniously organised that it's only little more., particularly vis the *.zip. The "2 hrs ago" is nice and most inconvenient. I'm not so sure yet that by clicking on "Mathcad" all the categories are there like in Akiva. It's not possible to visit all categories . What that means is that in my case I only click "Mathcad" and if I don't see a question about "calculus" and if it does not appear, then " No monkey see no monkey do " .

jmG

1-Visitor
July 13, 2010

I am thus far totally lost on this website, but I will keep trying for a while.

Question 1: I am about to install MathCad 15 on a Windows 7 machine. Interestingly, i am using MathCad 14 on that Windows 7 machine. I was previously led to believe that MC14 wouldn't work in windows 7? Seems thats not so.

Question 2: I have a few files (maybe 200) that are with extension mcd from MC-11 or earlier. Before migrating to MC-15 do i need to save all of these in one of the new XML formats?

I am sure this is an inappropriate place to ask these questions. Just bear with me and I will learn the new website in time. At the moment, i just hope that if someone answers the questions that I can ever find the answer.

Narlin

1-Visitor
July 13, 2010

Actually, I just went to look at opening each of the mcd files and resaving them as xmcd and discovered that there are more like 1100 of them. Is there a conversion utility?

narlin

19-Tanzanite
July 13, 2010

Actually, I just went to look at opening each of the mcd files and resaving them as xmcd and discovered that there are more like 1100 of them. Is there a conversion utility?

I seem to recall Stuart wrote a script to do this. If you really need it I can try to find it, or rewrite the script. I would just leave them in .mcd format though. I have a very large number of files, and that's my current strategy.

1-Visitor
July 17, 2010

One more question:

If this is such a great forum, why is the collaboratory still active on problems with M14 (and M15 now?) I see some issues with M15 being brought up here, but the collaboratory still has an active category, there isn't one here, and Mona is very busy noting and logging the issues but not putting them here for general consumption.

1-Visitor
July 17, 2010

Fred Kohlhepp wrote:

One more question:

If this is such a great forum, why is the collaboratory still active on problems with M14 (and M15 now?) I see some issues with M15 being brought up here, but the collaboratory still has an active category, there isn't one here, and Mona is very busy noting and logging the issues but not putting them here for general consumption.

Who said this is such a great forum??????

I'm sure Mona explained that some topics will be left open and in the collab until a permanent home is found. Agree there should be an Mathcad 15 active category here. Will the Mathcad Prime topic be moved to this forum at some point?

Mike

1-Visitor
July 18, 2010

I know that "some forums (in the collaboratory) will be kept open." My point is that planetptc has been designed and kaunched as a showcase for PTC products. It is not (and I don't think it ever was their intention) a forum for discussion.

I see nothing but unanswered complaints about this site--no significant attempts to improve its' function as a discussion forum.

1-Visitor
July 21, 2010

The collaboratory (when it was suspended) was averaging 20+ messages/day.

When I open planet ptc /mathcad/ all, the first item (newest?) was updated 1 day ago.

How many hits is this mathcad forum averaging a day?

19-Tanzanite
July 21, 2010

A related observation:

27 people logged into the Collaboratory today, despite the fact that it has been dead for 3 weeks. I think that says a lot!

There is no way to tell how many Mathcad users logged into this forum today, but I would certainly like to know that number!

1-Visitor
July 22, 2010

>There is no way to tell how many Mathcad users logged into this forum today, but I would certainly like to know that number ! < [Richard]

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I did a quick survey based on my 30 days member and on the new threads that I posted. It averages about 150 visits/day . Adding other collabs and replies, it might well amount > 200 . This large increase vs Akiva is due to the "tag visitors". This sudden curiosity about PTC web community will surely decrease and depends primarily on what's new ... nothing new = no click = no view . Actually, there is handful of active collabs ... upset and saturated of the upload/download that does not work and nothing to check where the problem is. For instance, how do I know which of the the 36 bran new sheets I posted have uploaded ? If I click them back and they don't download , do they really don't download because the download is sick or is it the upload that is sick ?

All in short, the upload-download for Mathcad work sheets is scrap.

At least if Mona reads us, she can report as plain as it is.

jmG