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24-Ruby IV
September 18, 2012
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New ode problem

  • September 18, 2012
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New ode problem (for Alan, Viktor and all):

A steel ball (with d=100 mm and Ro=7800 kg/m^3) was thrown upward. He has reached a certain maximum height (h.max=250 m) and fell to the ground after a certain time (t.end=17s).
What is the initial speed of the ball and what is a value of the coefficient of drag k (F.drag=k S Ro.air v^2). Ro.air=1.225 kg/m^3 or is a function of the height.

See for the start here http://communities.ptc.com/message/187832

Best answer by ValeryOchkov

Thanks, Alan!

I would like to use the Maximize function but:

ball-2.png

PS

Better to have:

better.png

4 replies

1-Visitor
September 18, 2012

Please, Valery. Sorry, without units (MC 14).

Ball.GIF

Viktor

24-Ruby IV
September 18, 2012

Thanks and Sorry,

not v(t)^2 but v(t)*|v(t)| or v(t)^2*sign(v(t))

And attach please the file!

19-Tanzanite
September 18, 2012

What is it with you and throwing balls in the air Valery!!!

Oh well, attached is my version - in Prime 2, with units.

Alan

1-Visitor
September 18, 2012

Alan, show a picture please. I do not have MC Prime now!

Viktor

24-Ruby IV
September 18, 2012

1) How to do it automatically (see the picture, Mathcad 15 and Mathcad Prime files)?

2) Has the problem solution by this initial data?

ball.png

19-Tanzanite
September 18, 2012

Here's my automatic answer. Of course the up and down movements are not symmetrical, as I had assumed in my first post, because of the drag! I've not bothered with the Archimedes upthrust as it's a small effect.

Alan

Here are the images, for Viktor:

ValeryBall1.PNG

ValeryBall2.PNG

v0 seems very high!

ValeryOchkov24-Ruby IVAuthorAnswer
24-Ruby IV
September 18, 2012

Thanks, Alan!

I would like to use the Maximize function but:

ball-2.png

PS

Better to have:

better.png

24-Ruby IV
September 20, 2012

A symbolic solution of the problem (Maple):

a) k=0

ball-boundary-symbol.png

b) k>0

ball-boundary-symbol-k.png