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16-Pearl
January 5, 2017
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Helicoil representation in 3D model

  • January 5, 2017
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All,

What do you think is the proper way to show a helicoil drilled and tapped hole in a 3D model? I have not used these in a bit. But I recall showing a drill diameter for the tap only. This to me could be somewhat misleading? I guess I am geared towards paperless designs. I'd like to show the finished tap? I don't know? The finished tap as I understand is not a standard tap size? I think I just read that SolidWorks does have the ability to add those tap sizes via its hole functionality. I do add a model of the heli-coil itself in the sub-assy that follows. Of course it's an interference fit. What are your thoughts on this? I am curious what you all think is an acceptable enough method.

Thanks,

WayneF

5 replies

21-Topaz I
January 5, 2017

We have custom hole files and we add in solid models for the Helicoils. We use the models more to drive BOMs than anything else though.

wfalco16-PearlAuthor
16-Pearl
January 5, 2017

Interesting. So I am correct that the holes need to be a special condition? Are these holes shown as tapped?

23-Emerald III
January 5, 2017

A 2-step process.

In the part file, show the holes drilled and tapped for the heli-coil insert, Using a custom hole file is the best way to handle that information.

Your final file is the assembly with the heli-coils inserted. This part goes into your next higher assemblies.

We did the same process for parts that had  weld studs attached. The blank part file and the assembly with the weld studs.

wfalco16-PearlAuthor
16-Pearl
January 5, 2017

I see I am in the right neighborhood of thought here. That's good. I agree with what your saying Ben. I have never used custom holes before. The information would have to be obtained for them. Correct? I would imagine both the minor diameter and the tap diameter would be some odd values?

21-Topaz I
January 5, 2017

If by odd you mean not a standard tap then yes. They are a little bigger. Our holes do not show the 3D geometry of the tap, they are just slightly larger holes. There are quite a few threads in here for custom hole files. Unfortunately they can be a little confusing.

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
January 5, 2017

If you're talking the Heli-Coil brand or type inserts (made out of diamond-section wire), they use a larger major diameter (use the one they specify - their custom tap), but have the same exact pitch of the thread you specify.  Keenserts are solid inserts, and from what I remember use a larger standard tap (and pitch) than the thread you want.

For modeling purposes, I'd make it an assembly, an model the hole at the minor dia, with a cosmetic thread at the major dia of whatever tap is needed.  Then model the inserts as simple hollow cylinders with the major and minor diameters.  Done.  simple, and your graphics card and processor will thank you, especially in large assemblies.  For some reason, the assemblies I'm working on actually has the helical wire of the Heli-Coils modeled....Ugh!

15-Moonstone
January 6, 2017

Similar to what the other guys are saying.

We have a custom hole table containing the parameters from the manufacturer (ours are metric) so the cosmetic thread is shown in the base part. Then we have a family table of wire thread inserts which are a cylinder with a cosmetic thread. As detailed by Frank this is less of a burden on regen times and the items can be shown in the bom.

wfalco16-PearlAuthor
16-Pearl
January 6, 2017

I am ok with using either a plain round helicoil or the fancy one you can download from McMaster. I don't have many.

My real question is what to put as tap in the part that receives the helicoil. I can show a thru hole, followed by a cosmetic thread. What would be the values of the 2 diameters?

I am using currently 4-40 & and 1/4-20 helicoils.

Does anyone have a chart?

23-Emerald III
January 6, 2017

I don't use them but I know of an application here that uses them regularly. I looked two up and this is what we did on those drawings...2 different styles.

The first specifies all the dimensions.  The second, we add the taps as a BOM item (qty 0 so they don't buy it for every part)

 

17-Peridot
February 3, 2017

Hi Falco,

not sure if your question is already answered. Maybe this will help anyway.

Find attached a PDF for Helicoil inserts. On page 18ff you find all drilling and tapping information.

I also attached our hole chart for inch and metric Helicoils.

helicoil.pnghelicoil_hol.png

Since Creo 3 you can use the Intelligent Fastener Extension to create fasteners.

It is possible to assemble Inserts with this tool. Use Inserts in IFX

helicoil_in_ifx.png

Regards

Oli

1-Visitor
February 3, 2017

Hi Oliver,

I have a question as to how you constructed the provided hole charts.  For example, according to the attached PDF catalog, M6X1 table calls for drill diameter of 6.3mm and the corresponding tap with a max. major diameter of 7.422mm.  But your hole chart has 6.3mm tap drill diameter (ok, but with major diameter of 7.300?)  I am just curious from where the basic diameter numbers are coming?  Is it some kind of a median between specification's max. and min. value?

17-Peridot
February 6, 2017

Hi Paul,

I created these hole charts long time ago. I cannot remember where I crab the diameter 7.3 from. You are right. It seems like this diameter might not be correct.

I think this diameter depends on a lot of different things.

  • The material
  • The helicoil tool
  • The length of the insert

I recommend to contact the producer of the inserts to get the correct values.

Of course you can modify the hole chart I have uploaded to your needs. This should only be a example on how we use the inserts in our tool.