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15-Moonstone
March 28, 2013
Question

Variable section sweep with multiple sketches?

  • March 28, 2013
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I'd like to build a locked sidewall that has varied draft.

I was under the assumption that the best way to build this feature would be a Variable Section Sweep as my sections would vary along the length of the side rails.

Can you have multiple sketches in a Variable Section Sweep?

If yes, could someone explain the method of picking up additional sketches along the length of the trajectory?

If not, what would the appropriate tool be for what I am wanting to accomplish?


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17-Peridot
March 28, 2013

You might look at it as additional "guides". As long as you don't "lock" the swept section, the section will adjust to the trajectory and guide sketch. When you select an additional trajectory(hold CTRL), it will be the 1st "guide" and additional sketches will be the additional guide features.

swept_VSS.JPG

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
March 28, 2013

Going further, what I'd like to see is the VSS command allow both multiple trajectories AND multiple sections. This way, you could get around a problem I have where you can't force an arc to be flat, or vice versa. also, you could do blend vertexes like in a blend/swept blend.

Of the 2, I like and use VSS's way more, for various reasons including using trajpar.

pimm15-MoonstoneAuthor
15-Moonstone
March 29, 2013

The Variable Section Sweep "Almost" works well for me.

I am happy with how the surface rail matches up with the actual part. This looks like a tool that makes locks and varied draft easy.

Unfortunately I am finding that I can not get the start and end of the sweep surface to end up where the 2 guide rail sketches start and end. Since this segment is only a part of the side rails on the part profile I have to have the surface start and end exactly where my guide sketches end.

When I normal to trajectory or normal to projection I'm finding that there is a small gap to the end of the sketch.

If I choose a constant to normal projection the starting surface lines up perfect to the start of the guide rails, but the end of the surface falls way short on one of the ending guide rails.

I can't seem to find a way to build my own sketch that would lock to the exact end(s) of the guide rails.

Is there a way of ensuring the start and end of the surface lines up with the start and end of the 2 guide rails?

17-Peridot
March 29, 2013

I noticed that with my quick sketch too. Obviously, you could simply go further than you need with both guides. The problem is that the sketch is normal to the trajectory although you can select another normal for the sketch.

Often, complex shapes are created from many surface operations where in the end, it becomes a closed volume or a thickness can make these solids. That remaining gap, for instance, could be filled in with a Fill feature.

Can you share a image of your challenge or even a part of the file you are trying to affect?

pimm15-MoonstoneAuthor
15-Moonstone
March 29, 2013

RailsWithPart.jpg

This shows a couple sweeps that I applied on opposing sides of the parting line. I might have to overbuild the sketch extents as you suggest. I just wish this would stick to the start and end of the sketches.

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
April 3, 2013

Sometimes you have to try all 3 different techniques to see what works best. Sometimes you can't get EXACTLY what you want, either because what you want is impossible with any software, or because of the limitations in Pro/E. You just have to choose what gets you closest and allows you the best building block for future features.

Many times, what I'll do is pehaps make a simplified model where I can experiment with ONLY the area that's giving me trouble, find the best way to do it, and only then use that technique on the actual model.

For instance, I was doing some wireing harness routing (without the wiring module we don't have), and I tried to create the wiring bundle from the sweeps where the individual wires went into one connector to the same point for the other connector. I had a bundle of 11 wires I needed to do as a swept blend, and Pro/E will NOT let you have more than one closed loop in the sketch (THIS needs to be fixed and would be a REAL enhancement, unlike wasting time on ribbons....). So, I tried to do each wire separately. I was in "insert mode" because I wanted these features at the front, and I got all the wires done, and was happy with it. But when I resumed all the wiring at the connector ends, it all failed!!! WT#???? I tried monkeying with the absolute accuracy, and then redoing the swept blends, and/or the wiring at the ends, but nothing worked. So, I ended up having to "cheat" and do it as one swept blend, using the outside of the wires (all the visible surfaces) with a solid inner core. It's obviously not 100% correct, but you'll never see the problem because it's buried inside the bundle. Now, I COULD have given maybe .001 clearance between the circles as I think the issues Pro/E was struggling with was all the tangencies for the 11 wires and possible overlapping volumes due to rounding errors, but honestly, that should NOT matter. And, in the real world there wouldn't be gaps like that anyways (especially with the zip ties we're using on the harness), so that's an error right there. You can bury a simple extrusion inside another with no issue. Strange. But, it worked, most likely makes a much smaller file, and nobody will ever see the problam area, so I'm good with it.

I'll be putting some pics of the beast in my photo album shortly.

Best of luck!

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
April 3, 2013

Here's a JPEG of the routing I mentioned using a swept blend for the bundle, and individual sweeps for all the wires at the connector ends. A better (.bmp) image is in my photo album.

NGA_CHASSIS_62-8276_R01_ASM.JPG

pimm15-MoonstoneAuthor
15-Moonstone
April 3, 2013

Frank: That is a very slick looking part.

I haven't even looked at Swept Blend yet but that's an impressive technique to build this.

It is tricky knowing which tool is the right one for the job.

Variable Section Sweep is the technique I used to get the results I showed in my picture. Perhaps Boundary blend might have been the better choice. I'll just have to see how well this all comes together.

I have been doing some experimentation. I'm sure I'll get better at picking the right tool as I gain experience and understand what everything does and doesn't do.

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
April 3, 2013

See if either of you guys can view this as a 3D PDF made from creo. There are 3 views, one with the "spin center" centered on the big connector, another for the small connector, and another centered in the model.

17-Peridot
April 4, 2013

I too like modeling these little details when drawings call for it.

I was able to open the PDF... not that I understand how you got the spin center to move to those "views".

I did a bit of work to make trajpar work for twisted cables. With what you said and many crashes later, I came up with an almost foolproof technique ( he says sheepishly)

Since we've strayed from the subject at hand, keep an eye out for the document

Patriot_1776
22-Sapphire II
April 4, 2013

I think it's great that there are a few of us here that want to learn how to do things like this, to push the envelope (until it crashes!). I think we should always try and learn new techniques, so we can teach the others (that are actually willing to learn). I get very frustrated with Pro/E users that refuse to do anything more than the bare minimum to get the (typically sloppy) job done. I enjoy bouncing things back and forth between us!

We had the same trouble with the spin center's here. In fact, it was so bad after trying it a few times, we didn't like to use the 3D PDF's because they came in so bad. But, being the inquisitive and stubborn b#stard I am , I wanted to see if I could fix that, especially for assemblies like the wiring harness where the default CS is so far off to the side (all our cabling is constrained to the upper level assy's default CS for consistancy). I figured there had to be a way. I detailed the steps in a Word doc I posted in the Modeling forum about it. The pics are a little blurry (dunno why), but it works.

Let me know if that helps.

I'll be eagerly waiting your document Antonius!