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June 15, 2015
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___ Daily update. CHEVROLET CAMARO 2010 -STYLE- CLASS A SURFACES - Working in progress (SPARE TIME)

  • June 15, 2015
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    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    October 13, 2015

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    15-Moonstone
    October 14, 2015

    great work. I think you should be the PTC Community Champion.

    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    October 17, 2015

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    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    October 19, 2015

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    1-Visitor
    October 27, 2015

    great work Marcio ....////

    All the best ..

    15-Moonstone
    October 28, 2015

    Very impressive project and fun to follow along!

    11-Garnet
    October 29, 2015

    Hi Marcio,

    Great work and thanks for the periodic update.

    If you could create a script or video of your work it will be a very helpful tool  to coach themselves in ISDX.

    I was following the interesting discussion between you and Dean.

    I was wondering can this work be done using Creo Freestyle sub divisional modeling and can we achieve Class A surface?


    Suresh P

    PTC

    1-Visitor
    October 29, 2015

    Suresh,

    I will give my response to your question.

    First the definition:

    Class A surfaces is a term used in automotive
    design
    to describe a set of freeform surfaces of high
    efficiency and quality. Although, strictly, it is nothing more than saying the
    surfaces have curvature and tangency alignment - to ideal aesthetical
    reflection quality, many people interpret class A surfaces to have G2 (or even
    G3) curvature continuity to one another.

    So, can Freeform, Style or boundary surfacing achieve a Class A surface with
    regard to the above definition? The answer, is yes. But
    your question is much more complicated than a simple yes. While very cool and
    great work, Marcio has not really created what would be regarded as a true
    Class A automotive surface set. He has created Style (ISDX) boundary surfaces
    with what appears to be G2 continuity. When working a production vehicle's
    surface set, we have the scan data (point cloud, optical scan facets, etc) in
    the background as the target. That data has all the nuances, fullness,
    inflections, reflection flow, etc...that the Studio Designer has
    painstakingly developed in clay. As the Body Designer, it is up to him or her
    to capture all that detail in the surfaces. The 2D "blueprint" that
    Marcio used cannot provide that detail. It simply give the "intersections"
    of surfaces. Remember, surfacing a vehicle requires "developed"
    geometry, not "resultant" geometry. 95% of the "surfaced"
    things you see out there are "resultant" in nature. I.E. Intersected
    sketches or surfaces to get a curve network (boundaries, U and V lines,
    etc...) then surfaces are created from that. Vehicles are done somewhat opposite.

    The other huge issue, with using the Creo
    suite for this kind of work, is it's too rigid and restrictive. All the
    Style feature(s) Marcio has created are 'related' with Parent/Child relationships
    along the way in order to get the G2. That's just the nature of
    Style. That means if he had to go back and remove feature 11 and
    replace it with a new surface he will lose continuity somewhere, or worse,
    the surface(s) will lose a reference and the whole data set will sit in limbo
    until it can be resolved. Real body design goes through this type of
    'development' for a bit of time while the surfaces are being 'sweetened'. Not to mention the need to work

    "inside" the boundaries to capture the details (fender dart, hood bulge, etc...) Easy manipulation

    and verification of the surfaces is simply too difficult with Creo. This
    is why Catia, Icem/Surf, NX and others are used for this type of work. Creo et
    al simply does not make it easy to do.

    Your real question was about Freestyle. Sub-D modeling looks pretty neat and
    I suspect that is could be used create some really cool stuff. Would it ever
    become the standard for vehicles? I cannot say.

    Marcio, I know you will read this. Please don't mis-understand my response
    to Suresh. As I said earlier in the thread, you have done some really cool
    stuff with this exercise. I was simply pointing out the important nuances
    involved.

    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    November 3, 2015

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    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    November 11, 2015

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    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    November 13, 2015

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    msiviero4-ParticipantAuthor
    4-Participant
    November 17, 2015

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