Exploder rules

Forum|Forum|21 years ago
November 15, 2004
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So in other words, you want some of the rules but only the ones you
agree with? When you sign on to the exploder, these rules are spelled
out distinctly. In all walks of society, we have to abide by rules. As a
European, I find the affected "horror" over Janet Jackson and the
"nipplegate" incident faintly amusing but would I let my wife on the
beach topless, I don't think so - because the "rules" in the USA don't
allow it. (As and aside, if my wife wanted to go topless, I would have
ABSOLUTELY no say in it anyway). So we have to abide by the rules set
for whatever we're doing otherwise we'd have everybody doing their own
thing which is precisely what Rick - in his extremely nice way - is
trying to avoid. One would hope that these rules have been carefully
thought out and are of benefit to all but IF a change is warranted,
let's get them changed by mutual consent and not by mavericks breaking
them.

Richard

dakeb

1-Visitor

Erm, but Richard you just broke the rules yourself!

a) by replying directly to the group
b) by discussing janet Jacksons finer points
c) by discussing your wife's bathing preferences
d) by discussing whether or not you have any control over your wifes
behaviour.

Rick must be groaning.

In an extremely nice way of course 🙂

ptc-353751

1-Visitor

I'm interpreting the rules since they're not 100% clear. Specifically, I'm
deciding that my reply might be beneficial to the group and hence will
reply to the list.

As already stated, not many people post summaries, so what we end up with
are an archive of messages consisting of lots and lots of questions and
only occassional answers. Why ?? 'cause the answers went directly to the
original poster. In an extreme example, you could have different people
asking the same question one day after the other. If replies to the 1st
question went to the list, persons 2 and 3 wouldn't have needed to repeat
their questions.

I do understand this is a "private" list run by some person or
organization and that they make the rules, but that doesn't mean all of
the rules are perfect and will never change, nor need changing. Since
creating these rules, has "Rick" ever commented on things like this ??

Regards

"Black, Richard A" <->
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big_jim

1-Visitor

Richard;
I believe that what all these postings are trying to accomplish is to get
Rick to reconsider this rule and approve postings to the general board with
answers. I too find it very helpful to have all answers posted directly to
the board and often look forward to seeing answers to other peoples
questions. Now if I can just figure out how to set up filters this line of
messages will be helpful as well 🙂
Jim

unknown1

1-Visitor

If PTC/User would switch the format of these groups from e-mail lists to
message boards/forums, they would be MUCH easier to categorize, scan,
search, and moderate.

E-mail lists are really very cumbersome from just about every aspect --
the only real advantage of e-mail lists is for folks who have e-mail but
don't have internet access. E-mail lists are so 1995 -- this IS 2004,
isn't it?.

Some might prefer e-mail lists because they send you messages in
"real-time", i.e., every time there is a question or a response. However,
for everyone person that likes lists because of that, there are 4 others
who hate them for the same reason.

Eric Hill
Varian Semiconductor Equipment Associates, Inc.
Tel (978)282-2919
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I'm interpreting the rules since they're not 100% clear. Specifically, I'm

deciding that my reply might be beneficial to the group and hence will
reply to the list.

As already stated, not many people post summaries, so what we end up with
are an archive of messages consisting of lots and lots of questions and
only occassional answers. Why ?? 'cause the answers went directly to the
original poster. In an extreme example, you could have different people
asking the same question one day after the other. If replies to the 1st
question went to the list, persons 2 and 3 wouldn't have needed to repeat
their questions.

I do understand this is a "private" list run by some person or
organization and that they make the rules, but that doesn't mean all of
the rules are perfect and will never change, nor need changing. Since
creating these rules, has "Rick" ever commented on things like this ??

Regards

"Black, Richard A" <->
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unknown1

1-Visitor

Ditto! Filters are a pain!!

I can set them up.. But they never seem to work! My Out of Office
responses filters out of the inbox half the time. (of course having the
subject line in German or some other language doesn't help). I deleted
my other filters because they never worked!

wgerber

1-Visitor

Sorry to pull a "Clinton", but I think the question becomes, "It depends
on your definition of the word Summary."

I personally don't interpret the "Summary" as being..."paste all of your
responses into one e-mail and send it to the list." Maybe that's what
it means, but if so, how do you decide when you've received enough
sufficient e-mails to say, "That's all of them." Realistically, when a
Summary is sent, it's usually because a sufficient solution to the
problem was found...and not necessarily containing ALL of the suggested
solutions.

Maybe this is why we don't see as many Summaries as we would like.
Maybe there's too many attitudes of, "I don't have the time to put
together a Summary e-mail. If someone else wants to know the solution,
they can contact me or search the Exploder Archive." Now I'm NOT
supporting that attitude, but I think we can all agree it exists.

I personally don't think it's too much to ask people to send out a
Summary once they've found a viable solution. It may not be the ONLY
solution...we all know that there's more than one way to do things in
Pro/E. YES, I also have separate e-mail folders for the different
groups I'm subscribed and I have filtering employed, but that doesn't
mean I want to go thru 30+ e-mails in one day to simply hit "Delete".
My support of a Summary is not based on what I do to scan/delete e-mails
in my folders...but based on the greater good for reducing the flow of
e-mails that impacts more than just our own In-box...i.e. all the
Servers at all the companies of the employees of this Exploder along
with the Pro/USER Exploder itself. Besides, is it really that difficult
or time-consuming to send a Summary e-mail?? You spend just as much
time scanning/deleting the e-mails you don't want from this list that
people sent to Everyone instead of the Originator. 🙂

I fully agree with Rich Black, if the change is warranted, it goes thru
Rick and NOT thru individuals doing there own thing. If you want to do
your own thing...then you'll probably reap the consequences established
by some of the other Rules of this Exploder.

Regards,
Wes Gerber

ptc-353751

1-Visitor

I *like* this suggestion. As you say though, not everyone has internet
access, just e-mail.... I'm confident that's a minority of members though.

-- You wouldn't have e-mail address harvesting with a message forum (I've
rec'd messages from others that tell me not to forward their response back
to the list because it's make their e-mail address "public", so there's
another benefit)
-- Off-topic questions/answers can simply be deleted.
-- Most importantly, out-of-office messages would be GONE !!!!

Regards

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fklink

11-Garnet

No one of our designers has internet access. They just have emails ! Only for security (and job) purpose.

We should end up with this discussion.

I believe Rick's intent was to recall the rules with a specific accent on the purpose of this exploder. This is place where there are restrictions on the topics and where people don't want to know how is the weather is in Kuala Lumpur (or Houtsiplou !)

My two cents.

Francois

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Objet : [model] Re: Exploder rules

If PTC/User would switch the format of these groups from e-mail lists to message boards/forums, they would be MUCH easier to categorize, scan, search, and moderate.

E-mail lists are really very cumbersome from just about every aspect -- the only real advantage of e-mail lists is for folks who have e-mail but don't have internet access. E-mail lists are so 1995 -- this IS 2004, isn't it?.

Some might prefer e-mail lists because they send you messages in "real-time", i.e., every time there is a question or a response. However, for everyone person that likes lists because of that, there are 4 others who hate them for the same reason.

Eric Hill
Varian Semiconductor Equipment Associates, Inc.
Tel (978)282-2919
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I'm interpreting the rules since they're not 100% clear. Specifically, I'm
deciding that my reply might be beneficial to the group and hence will
reply to the list.

As already stated, not many people post summaries, so what we end up with
are an archive of messages consisting of lots and lots of questions and
only occassional answers. Why ?? 'cause the answers went directly to the
original poster. In an extreme example, you could have different people
asking the same question one day after the other. If replies to the 1st
question went to the list, persons 2 and 3 wouldn't have needed to repeat
their questions.

I do understand this is a "private" list run by some person or
organization and that they make the rules, but that doesn't mean all of
the rules are perfect and will never change, nor need changing. Since
creating these rules, has "Rick" ever commented on things like this ??

Regards

"Black, Richard A" <->
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jeff4136

1-Visitor

> ... but IF a change is warranted,
> let's get them changed by mutual
> consent and not by mavericks breaking
> them.

Oops, I guess I'm among the transgressors. Sorry, guess I just thought
that since there was a news reader interface it was ok to use it. My vote:
newsgroup format. I simply don't care for email for a number of reasons
and if limited to it will simply scan the group for what I might glean from
it. Have a good one.

nicfre1

1-Visitor

I will first begin by apologizing for sending this email to everyone, but I
am hoping that this might make a point with several individuals.
1. As long as you have so many individuals using this group, you will never
get everyone to use it in the one way you feel is proper.
2. Summaries are helpful for two reasons :
a. The summary may help someone else wondering about the same question,
regardless of how simple.
b. When you post a summary after you get the answer that works, that
summary to everyone helps stop individuals sending you private emails with
answers you already recieved.
3. I believe in the old adage, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the
kitchen. This is a free service. If you don't like the format or how
individuals are using it you have two choices, with number two being the
preference as far as I am concerned :
a. Create your own forum/user group/chat room/super helpful perfect Pro-E
service, etc. - whatever you want to call it, that you feel is better than
the current setup.
b. Delete you membership to the user group. If it is so utterly useless and
cumbersome like someone basically told me, then you should have no problem
deleting your account. Plain and simple. Unsubsribe is an option. You
are free to use it at any time.
4. It will not help or solve any problem by creating back and forth
arguements, or simply saying that you don't like how things are set up over
and over again.
5. I have more of a problem having to delete this back and forth whining
than I have a problem deleting summaries of simple questions, or even out of
office replies.
6. Mr. Rick Snyder, I appreciate this service, it has helped me many times
as well as co workers and the responses are alot quicker and for the most
part, more helpful than the official Pro-E help service. Please disregard
those that do nothing but complain about this user group. Again, if they
feel the user group is simply unbearable and useless, that is their
perrogative and they should leave.
7. Why don't we stop this thread here and now. He was simply reminding us
what this exploder is/should be used for.

Nick

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