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DamianCastillo1-Visitor
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February 21, 2012
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Creo is NOT Creo/Elements Pro

  • February 21, 2012
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I am creating this post due to my frustration with the confusion caused by PTC with their naming changes recently.


Creo/Elements Pro 5 = Pro/ENGINEER


Creo = Creo


I see many people are still confused by calling Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5, Creo. Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5 was renamed Creo/Elements Pro 5. Creo/Elements Pro 5 is not the same as PTC's new CAD suite called Creo. They are two completely different things.


Many people when asking questions about Creo, get responses on Creo/Elements Pro 5 which is like asking someone a question about Lexus vehicle and they give you an answer based on a Toyota.


I also find Youtube videos claiming to show something realted to Creo and when I open the video it's actually Creo/Elements Pro 5 which is NOT Creo.


This is not the end users fault and more PTC's fault for rebranding Pro/ENGINEER as Creo/Elements Pro and not allowing it to retire with any respect for it's original name that it held for 25 years.


Creo/Elements Pro is Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire with a new name. I refuse to call Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, Creo/Elements Pro.


Creo on the other hand is PTC's new CAD software that is based on the same Kernel as Pro/ENGINEER (Creo/Elements Pro), but it's a completely new software.


This is why Creo started back at Number 1 for it's version.


Creo 1.0 is NOT Creo/Elements Pro 5.


OK.


I feel better now.


I don't blame the end users for the confusion, but just wanted to get this off my chest.


LOL


"Too many people walk around like Clark Kent, because they don't realize they can Fly like Superman"

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    JohnGetty1-Visitor
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    February 22, 2012
    Jeff,

    For what it's worth, that's what I and others within my corporation were told too; however, I have found that my WF 3.0 + licenses work just fine with Creo Parametric. I think the PTC sales force is trying to capitalize on the confusion around the name change to sell additional product. Don't fall for it.

    John
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    DamianCastillo1-VisitorAuthor
    1-Visitor
    February 22, 2012

    You need to talk to PTC about this because I think your VAR is confused. Any current PTC software you have is upgradable to the Creo version if you are on Maintenance.

    In Reply to Jeff Dayman:



    This brings to mind a sensitive point. I have been told by my VAR that my ProE Foundation licences and ASX surfacing extension licenses are NOT UPGRADEABLE to Creo, even though I have paid maintenance every year like a good (but maybe dumb) boy since my initial ProE license purchase. They tell me if my customers need me to upgrade my systems to Creo I will have to buy all new Creo licences brand new at a cost of several tens of thousands of dollars. Has anyone else had the same experience? Is this truly PTC's approach or just another sales pitch / money grab from my VAR? After being a paying customer of PTC for many years (and many tens of thousands of maintenance dollars paid) I didn't expect to be treated like someone just off the street buying their first license. Maybe I'm just naive. Best regards Jeff Dayman
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    Jim.Tierney1-Visitor
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    February 22, 2012
    A PTC rep was here yesterday and mentioned that Creo should release mid
    March.


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    DamianCastillo1-VisitorAuthor
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    February 22, 2012

    Just for the record. I have no issues with the new Creo name. As in the REAL Creo 1.0


    I just wished they would have left Pro/ENGINEER alone and just retired it as Pro/ENGINEER.


    I see some are making some funny abbreviations for the word Creo but here is what it really means.


    Creo is the Spanish word for "I create", "I believe" or "I Design". Depending on how it's used in a sentance, the word Creo means all 3 things. I think it's a fitting name for a CAD program.


    Just saying.


    Having one word will make it easy to search on Google and Youtube but that was all killed with the rebranding of Pro/ENGINEER. Another user posted examples on why it was so hard to search for topics or videos related to Pro/ENGINEER and calling the new software Creo moving forward would have made things easier. Now it will remain confusing because you will search for Creo and find Creo/Elments topics which is not what you want.


    A missed oppourtunity to make it easy for users to search about your CAD Software PTC. It's too bad that the decision makers did not think this through.


    "Too many people walk around like Clark Kent, because they don't realize they can Fly like Superman"

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    lococnc1-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    February 22, 2012
    You need to change VAR's.

    We have 2 foundation licenses that were upgraded to CREO Parametric
    with no issues. Something is fishy.

    On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Getty, John (ES) <-> wrote:
    > Jeff,
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    > For what it’s worth, that’s what I and others within my corporation were
    > told too; however, I have found that my WF 3.0 + licenses work just fine
    > with Creo Parametric. I think the PTC sales force is trying to capitalize
    > on the confusion around the name change to sell additional product. Don’t
    > fall for it.
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    >
    > John
    >
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    >
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    scooke1-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    February 22, 2012
    Michael

    Was there an upgrade cost?

    I have asked this specific question and this was the answer from my VAR
    (Only one in South Africa so I don't have much choice!)

    Quoting:
    "To answer the second part. on upgrades:
    We can upgrade from Creo Foundation to Creo Parametric, it sells for R20,000
    (based on USD of R 😎 and requires that your maintenance be up to date on
    the package before we can upgrade it."
    End quote

    In spite of the above he also is quick to explain that there is no such
    thing as Creo Foundation to buy as a new user. But any functionality missing
    from your ProEngineer foundation license will be missing in Creo if you move
    on to Creo without paying the upgrade fee detailed above.

    Examples of this would be the Design Animation module and Surface which are
    now included in Creo. It is not in my foundation license because we bought
    in at Version 19. I have not paid maintenance since WF2, but even if I had
    the additional functionality in Creo Parametric would still not be available
    unless I upgrade.

    Depending on when you bought your foundation licenses you might not even
    notice any loss of functionality.

    The issue of legacy as PTC re-bundles things is a sore point for me. When
    we bought, I was forced to buy Pro/WEDM and Pro/Turn in the Pro/NC MFG
    bundle even though I knew I would never use either of them. I pleaded
    unsuccessfully to buy NC/Mill stand alone. Later on NC/Mill was sold stand
    alone, with additional features we did not have access to and this after
    years of me paying maintenance (at the higher cost) for software I have
    never touched. When I moaned I was told to buy a new seat of NC Mill and
    abandon my NC/MFG license, then I could enjoy the benefits of the additional
    features!! IT was at that point that I stopped paying maintenance!! Leaves
    a bitter taste and played a part in recently abandoning the NC Mfg License
    and buying a machining package from a different supplier.

    Their reasoning is apparently that the additional functionality has an R&D
    cost and I should have to pay my share of that if I want the additional
    functionality. There was no suitable answer given when I asked what portion
    of my maintenance paid faithfully over many years went towards their R&D,
    nor why I had paid a higher price for a less effective product than was now
    being offered at a lower price! This is not a good example of how to reward
    your loyal customers. (Note that having not paid maintenance since WF2, I no
    longer count myself as a loyal customer!)

    This upgrade cost to Creo Parametric is simply more of the same strategy but
    surely a better way to develop loyal customers would be to offer maintenance
    paying customers what ever is in the new package when they re-bundle the
    software to match what ever they have to do to compete in the current
    market.

    Regards



    Steve




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    Dmi3U15-Moonstone
    15-Moonstone
    February 22, 2012

    I can't count how many times I had to correct myself and heard other people doing the same, by calling
    Creo - PROE. So, I guess the name is: "PROE, sorry Creo"




    In Reply to Damian Castillo:



    I am creating this post due to my frustration with the confusion caused by PTC with their naming changes recently.


    Creo/Elements Pro 5 = Pro/ENGINEER


    Creo = Creo


    I see many people are still confused by calling Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5, Creo. Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire 5 was renamed Creo/Elements Pro 5. Creo/Elements Pro 5 is not the same as PTC's new CAD suite called Creo. They are two completely different things.


    Many people when asking questions about Creo, get responses on Creo/Elements Pro 5 which is like asking someone a question about Lexus vehicle and they give you an answer based on a Toyota.


    I also find Youtube videos claiming to show something realted to Creo and when I open the video it's actually Creo/Elements Pro 5 which is NOT Creo.


    This is not the end users fault and more PTC's fault for rebranding Pro/ENGINEER as Creo/Elements Pro and not allowing it to retire with any respect for it's original name that it held for 25 years.


    Creo/Elements Pro is Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire with a new name. I refuse to call Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire, Creo/Elements Pro.


    Creo on the other hand is PTC's new CAD software that is based on the same Kernel as Pro/ENGINEER (Creo/Elements Pro), but it's a completely new software.


    This is why Creo started back at Number 1 for it's version.


    Creo 1.0 is NOT Creo/Elements Pro 5.


    OK.


    I feel better now.


    I don't blame the end users for the confusion, but just wanted to get this off my chest.


    LOL


    "Too many people walk around like Clark Kent, because they don't realize they can Fly like Superman"






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    nrollins1-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    February 22, 2012
    At least they changed the order of the vowels. Imagine if it were "Croe"?


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    ptc-19327451-Visitor
    1-Visitor
    February 22, 2012
    Your assumptions of grandfathering in the new functionality to existing
    users would make sense if you are trying to build good will and expand
    your userbase. If however you see your userbase and total market as
    basically fixed and mature you would not grandfather in existing users
    to the new licensing scheme, but extract as much revenue as possible
    from the existing users.

    Remember the fiasco (in my eyes) around the whole restructuring of
    licenses when PTC went to 'Foundation'? You could either pay me now
    with higher license renewal fees for stuff I already 'own' with lower
    maintenance costs, or pay me every year in increased maintenance fees
    for software with fractured feature sets.

    The change to Foundation was supposed to simplify and reduce the
    different combination / permutations of modules.


    Christopher F. Gosnell

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    akelly12-Amethyst
    12-Amethyst
    February 23, 2012
    My last company just added some additional Pro/E licenses. There were some lengthy discussions about feature sets and package names.

    Bottom line is that existing licenses will maintain most (if not all) of their functionality with Creo. The Flexible Modeling extension is included with new Creo licenses. If you want to use the Flexible Modeling extension with your existing licenses, you can't - you have to upgrade them to new Creo licenses. If you don't care about Flexible Modeling, you're all set.

    In another interesting twist for SMBs, the new Creo II licenses and above don't come with Pro/Intralink. They come with PDM/Link instead. Pro/Intralink used concurrent access licensing, so you need the same number of Pro/Intralink licenses as Pro/E licenses. PDM/Link uses named-user licensing. So, if you have more Pro/E users than Pro/E licenses, you will have to buy additional PDM/Link licenses to cover every user listed in the LDAP, regardless of whether or not they are actually able to acquire a Pro/E license. I could not get a straight answer about how you manage a mixture of concurrent access and named-user licenses 😉

    Andrew Kelly, P.E.
    Design Engineer
    Honeywell Sensing and Control
    2080 Arlingate Lane
    Columbus, OH 43228
    Office: 614-850-7818
    Toll Free: 800-848-6564
    Fax: 614-850-1111
    andrew.kelly@honeywell.com<">mailto:andrew.kelly@honeywell.com>



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